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Pleasanton Council to wrap up Measure PP rules at 7 p.m. meeting tonight

Original post made on Apr 16, 2013

The Pleasanton City Council will meet tonight to wrap up its consideration of Measure PP, an ordinance that would ban residential and commercial development on steep hillside slopes. The key issue to be decided tonight concerns whether a road is a structure or infrastructure, which could affect whether roads also would be banned on hillside slopes. The meeting, which starts at 7 p.m., is a continuation of a two-hour public hearing held two weeks ago and was continued to give those out-of-town during school spring break a chance to speak before the council. The council meeting will be held in the Pleasanton Civic Center, 200 Old Bernal Ave.

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Posted by Chemist
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 16, 2013 at 8:41 am

I like David Miller's assessment of this issue. At the candidate forum, he asked, "Why did the chicken cross the structure?" Answer: the chicken did not cross the structure because a road is not a structure. However, we will see what the City Council thinks. If it suits their purposes, a road may be called a structure, even though it is not. We know Kathy Narum is on record as saying a road is a structure. Wonder what other nonsense she would devise if she were on the council.

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Posted by Shawn
a resident of Foothill High School
on Apr 16, 2013 at 8:46 am

"When is a road a structure", a Haiku dedicated to Kathy Narum after hearing her explanation of a road being a structure at the debates last week:

Road is a structure
Only when it fits my needs
Politician speak

I guess it might depend on what "is' is, huh?

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Posted by Ellen
a resident of Amador Valley High School
on Apr 16, 2013 at 9:51 am

I hope readers review all sides of the question about a road being a structure. Cindy McGovern and Ann Fox, long time leaders in fight for hillside protection and champions and co authors of PP confirmed their intent was that roads were/are structures in th3e definition of PP. They both wrote editorials in last Friday's Pleasanton Weekly stating the intent of measure was always to protect views of our hills - this always included roads. Who wants an asphalt road cutting through our view of the hills any more than a home?

Anyway, not sure why some are trying to allow asphalt raods to block our views when PP was all about protecting the hillside. The intent of authors and champions of effort is clear. A road was intended to be a structure.

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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Apr 16, 2013 at 9:56 am

I'm looking at the Pleasanton Municipal Code. Seems a road is a structure.

As far as "why did the chicken cross the road" jokes, you could ask "why did David Miller cross the road?"

The answer: To place another illegal sign on public property next to a sidewalk.

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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger
a resident of Vintage Hills
on Apr 16, 2013 at 10:21 am

Kathleen Ruegsegger is a registered user.

I'm sorry, how is Ms. McGovern a leader on hillside protection (don't know where Ann Fox lives)? Her home, and many others, is on the hills above Foothill Rd. and there is a road/structure to get it. I would agree that a road is a structure; I just think we should be knowledgeable about our "leaders."

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Posted by Common sense citizen
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 16, 2013 at 11:28 am

Hey Kathleen, others:

Yeah, Mrs. McGovern lives on a hillside--Pleasanton Ridge. Phil Blank, Planning Commission Chair, also lives on a hillside--Kottinger Ranch, as does Karla Brown--also Kottinger Ranch.

Phil Blank and Cindy McGovern are hypocrites. Hey, OK that we live on a ridgeline, and traffic's restricted in and out of our neighborhoods, but the rest of you? Hey, we don't care--we just want our view of the hills preserved.

Not sure where Brown stands on this issue.

and to Ellen--since when does a ROAD block a view? Oh, that's right, I forgot, it's a structure, right? Please, spare us all the lunacy of a road being a structure.

Got some more news for you, too--"intent" means little, if anything, in a court of law. What's stated is what matters, and roads being prohibited aren't stated anywhere in Measure PP, and I can assure you that at least one land use attorney has already looked into this matter.

Tell you what--can't wait for the next issue involving roads. Once the City decides that roads are structures, think hard about the ramifications of that from a zoning perspective--"Sorry, but I contest your building of a structure there because that area isn't zoned for a structure."

The lunatic asylum possibilities are endless.

Agreements on the access road to Lund Ranch II and the by-pass road were hammered out long ago, and those agreements need to be honored, otherwise, no longer will anyone trust the City of Pleasanton.

Screwing long-time homeowners in the affected areas so that others can have their precious view of "their" hills minus a flat road, and still others who were told in writing that an access road was going to be built, is not right.

The Mayor and City Council need to get some common sense, and do what's right.

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Posted by A Neighbor
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 16, 2013 at 2:01 pm

The building code in California is officially called "California Code of Regulations, Title 24", and is a state law. Part 2, Chapter 2 is "Definitions". The legal definition of the word structure in this state is "That which is built or constructed." Roads are structures, by law. There can be no other interpretation.

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Posted by Pete
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 16, 2013 at 4:29 pm

"Road" was not classified within these same definitions... Corrosion Resistance was-the ability of a material to withstand deterioration of its surface or its properties when exposed to its environment.
The Southeast Hills have withstood Mother Nature...for tens-of-thousands of years. A road would require maintenance...why...? because it was built

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Posted by Arroyo
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 16, 2013 at 6:38 pm

This town has lost it's way -- Roads are a "structure" -- gimme a break -- Protect the hillsides -- don't spread another shovelful of asphalt -- don't build another structure -- restrict land use without compensating the owners -- intimidate the Main Street property owners to lower rents for tenants "acceptable" to the takers. What a loony bin nimby haven this town has become.

Yeah, I know. If I don't like it I can move away. Unfortunately, my wife likes the parades, and the grandkids live close -- I'm stuck.

I will tell you that I'm voting for David Miller -- the politically correct nimby lefties and anti-tea party crowd can go to -- Berkeley.

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Posted by huh?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 16, 2013 at 9:16 pm

"That which is built or constructed." I guess they can no longer plant trees in the hills because according to this person's definition, a water line would be considered a structure. Give me a break.

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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Apr 16, 2013 at 9:22 pm

Of course you can plant trees. Trees last I heard are not constructed. They are grown. Unless you are talking about fake plastic trees that hide large cell phone towers.

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Posted by road? structure?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 25, 2013 at 6:42 pm

what gives with the fighting between council folks? When is the mayor going to step in and act like a leader? Cook kallio said he was not a leader, I guess she was right.

Also what is up with Pentin? Is he going to start doing his own homework and come up with his own opinion, or just copy-off of his buddy Cook-Kallio for the whole 4 years?

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Posted by Interesting
a resident of Country Fair
on Apr 25, 2013 at 10:58 pm

Why when you disagree with someone they must be influenced and when you agree they must be independent thinkers. maybe you just disagree!

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Posted by Leadership?
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 26, 2013 at 8:58 am

If this tacky behavior is our best leadership, this is a sad statement of our city government.

So glad I did not vote for Cook Kallio!!

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Posted by Eyeball
a resident of Del Prado
on Apr 28, 2013 at 7:07 pm

Does anybody else wonder why Pleasanton is involved in Agenda 21 ?

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