I thought the Clarence Thomas senate hearing was more volatile then the Bret Kavanaugh senate hearing.

Kavanaugh received criticism for his rant at the senate panel. Thomas did not receive criticism for his "This is A High Tech Lynching".

The me too people are there. The difference is that even a cursory look of Tara Reade’s accusations makes it very clear she lacks credibility. Kavenaugh’s, Trump’s (24+!!!), and Thomas’ accusers are MUCH MUCH more credible than Reade.

Tara Reade's accusations are graphic, more so then Kavanaugh or Thomas, Tara Reade also has a couple of people that have stated, she sheared the event with them, also in some on line reporting, there is some email and or documentation supporting this from the people she shared with.

The fact of the matter is, if Biden was republican, we would be witnessing another circus in Washington.

She’s changed her story like 5 times, has some super weird relationship with Russia, has repeatedly come out in support of Biden, has denied an assault occurred, refuses to give interview, and changes her story every time new evidence refuting her story comes forward. That is a night and day difference between the other prominent accusers.

Also, maybe some do believe the one single accuser. It’s still nothing compared to Trump and his at least 25 accusations including rape, sexual harassment, sexual misconduct over a period of 30 plus years. Even one of his wives accused him of rape long before he ran for president. All of the pageant contestants were grossed out by him walking in leering at them undressed. There’s also the lovely audio of him “just grab her by the pussy” in case anyone wanted to deny what an obvious sleazy sexual predator Trump is. At this point the standards of presidential conduct could not be any lower thanks to that man. But yeah, let’s talk about Biden’s single accuser with all sorts of political ties. If it’s true I feel really bad for her. The environment of sexual harassment tolerated by Trump followers has made her story insignificant.

Ken - You've clearly fallen for the lamestream media's hoax... 25 times! Liars, they're all liars! And puppets! The real story here is that the democRATS are evaluating an allegation, applying critical thinking, and dismissing due to an overwhelming lack of credibility. Hypocrisy! Benghazi!

urmomz, there is a bit of Chicken Little here. Which story is the truth? Difficult to tell in the Biden case, but it is possible this is the one time the accuser isn’t scamming someone.

People have turned a blind eye to the affairs/infidelity of many of our leaders through the ages. Roosevelt, all the Kennedys, Trump. So if we excuse them by ignoring it all, do we excuse Biden if it is true? Why or why not? Where are we at with our complicity and hypocrisy?

@urmomz
You’re not even making sense. Are you implying that all of Trumps accusers are lying? I’m sure you heard him talk about how you can grab em by the pussy. It’s clear to any reasonable person he is guilty of sexual harassment and misconduct, not even most republicans are denying that. They are just accepting it as part of the Trump package.
In the case of Biden’s she may be telling the truth and in a normal election it would be important but due to the fact Biden is running against Trump with his insane amount of crimes and sexual misconduct it is insignificant. Too bad it’s come to that but there are issues far more important than Tara Reade. We recognize there is some hypocrisy but it doesn’t matter because Trump has sunk the office so incredibly low.

Here’s an interesting essay on Vladimir Putin and Russia written by Tara Reade:

WebArchive.Org: “Why a Liberal Democrat Supports Vladimir Putin” by Alexandra Tara Reade: Web Link

“.......President Putin’s obvious reverence for women, children and animals, and his ability with sports is intoxicating to American women. Especially since the bloated, American President (Trump) is so negative, denigrating and dismissive of anyone but himself as he stumbles even playing golf (which is not a real sport anyway but a past time, sorry golfers). President Putin has taken his nation and his people towards new horizons of developing prosperity with education, science, technology and innovation. While in America, news of more jobs lost, punishing tariffs and ignorant, environmental policies abound. Sanctions mount and scandals alight the media. We will see if President Putin will even bother to give another thumbs up to the American President at the G 20. Personally, I hope for no thumbs up, since neither the American President nor his wife deserve any positive approval from anyone. Besides, frankly, my dear, President Putin does not need America anymore, and neither does Russia.“

Reades Mother was recorded on Larry King talking about her daughters experience.
Reades Ex-husband documented her issues in divorce papers.
Reades freinds have confirmed she spoke out about Joey Fingers at the time that it happened.

CB Ford is THE ONLY witness to the allegations made of Kavanaugh and those allegations are, at best, sketchy. At worst, outright lies.

There's not even a close comparison between the two.

Besides, does anyone really think Biden has the mental faculty to be president? Seriously?

Dan

"We recognize there is some hypocrisy..."

I'm finally glad that ONE HONEST democrat in this state will admit to being a hypocrite.

"but it doesn’t matter because Trump has sunk the office so incredibly low."

Admit that you can't stand an EFFECTIVE, STRONG President.

You can't name an EFFECTIVE President in the last 40 years, and if you could, I bet you couldn't point out the policies he's implemented that back your claim. They all ride into office talking a big game, but then they do NOTHING except talk.

The weak really do envy the strong.

Dan

Dan, Dr. Donald's disinfectant injections have made you seem so much perkier these days.

@DKHSK wrote "CB Ford is THE ONLY witness to the allegations made of Kavanaugh and those allegations are, at best, sketchy. At worst, outright lies. There's not even a close comparison between the two."

Actually, the real comparison here is not with Kavanaugh, but with Trump. You know, Donald Trump, the guy who about two dozen women have accused of sexual assault. Trump versus Biden in November. Who has been accused of more sexual assaults by a count of about 24-to-1 ?

@Dan,
Strange, what you see as effective and strong the rest of us see as a bumbling narcissistic idiot. You’re projecting, seek therapy.

Dan, while we generally disagree, I have found some of your comments to be thoughtful. I think you lose any credibility when you defend Trump as strong and effective. The man has tweeted and retweeted outright lies, stood at rallies and lied, stood in front of reporters and bashed them, and pouts more than my four year old grandchild. It is indefensible.

For The Record:

Russia's Five Foot Seven Inch Vladimir Putin is an active international trouble maker.

Ken,

I love your adherence to claiming anyone who doesn't agree with you as being mentally unstable. You know who also does this?

The mentally unstable.

I could post the hundreds of policies, executive decisions, bills signed...etc that he has been responsible for, but it would be lost on you.

We could debate back and forth why his policies have been helpful. How he has done more good for the nation than any other living ex-president (and most dead ones), but that will be all for naught.

Because YOU think the President is a "bumbling narcissist.

Well done, Ken. You're absolutely hopeless.

Sincerely,

Dan

Kathleen,

" I think you lose any credibility when you defend Trump as strong and effective."

If I site proof of his effectiveness while being President, would you have the intellectual honesty to admit you were wrong in saying the above?

"The man has tweeted and retweeted outright lies, stood at rallies and lied, stood in front of reporters and bashed them, and pouts more than my four year old grandchild."

You see "pouts" where I see "fights".

You can call him a lot of things Kathleen, but one things you can't call him is a pouter.

Those reporters DESERVED to be bashed. When did they get a pass on their abhorrent behavior?

Cuts both ways, Kathleen.

I guess you were just fine with a decent men like George HW and W were called Hitler and likened to monkeys. You NEVER said a word about civility then, did you? How about Reagan or any other candidate like Romney or McCain? I disliked both, BTW.

Nah, you're only about civilly now, like most RINO's or Democrats, because your lady DID NOT WIN.

You have a fighter and now you can't stand it.

Tough, get used to it. We conservatives have been putting up with it for too long of time.

No more.

To able to speak ones mind and not care about what others think is more freeing than you can imagine. Especially when you are armed with facts and data.

You should try it sometime.

Sincerely,

Dan

Kathleen,

Thank you for the remark about my thoughtfulness.

Dan

Trump Approval Rating Higher Than Four of the Last Six Presidents, Including Bush and Obama.

Per Gallup:

Web Link

How can this be, Ken and Kathleen?!?!

How can a narcissist, bumbler, liar and pouter have a higher approval rating at this point than Saint Obama or Saint Clinton?

I guess all those dumb, hick rednecks just don't know what's good for 'em. eh?

Sincerely,

Dan

Detergent and bright ultraviolet light under the skin. Go back and watch that. The man is profoundly ignorant and doesn't realize it. Watch the entire clip to get context.

@Dan
Since you seem to like polls.(I don’t) Here is a link to all of the recent standard polling on Trumps approval. Web Link Yes, it includes your Gallup poll that you so eagerly shared, which is literally the ONLY poll that shows his approval out of 20 plus. How could this be saint Dan?? Especially since you are a fighter armed with facts and data? You are a warrior Dan.
How amusing that the Examiner had to write a whole article about thee one polll that shows his approval ahead. The rest of us laugh at your “facts and data”.

@DKHSK

I prefer Fivethirtyeight's average of polls for the most accurate picture of polling results. According to Fivethirtyeight, on this day in his Presidency (Day# 1215), Trump has an approval rating of 43.8%. On the same respective day in their Presidencies, Obama had an approval rating of 48.9%. GW Bush had an approval of 44.9%, Bill Clinton had 56.4%, GHW Bush had 40.7%, Reagan had 52.1%, and Carter had 44.0%.

So it appears of the six previous Presidents, the only President that Trump topped on this particular day (day #1215 into a Presidency) was GHW Bush. Obama topped Trump by over 5 percentage points. Even Jimmy Carter topped Trump!

BTW, DKHSK, I thought that you didn't believe in polls? Or is it only when you find a cherry-picked one to your liking that you temporarily believe in one?

BobB...profoundly Ignorant? Lacking knowledge in something. Really...? Boy oh boy...our world is full of ignorant scientists...not to say they do their best.

Dan,
Not wrong.
He pouts ALL the time.
Didn't deserve it.
I like McCain.
Not "my lady".
Always favored civility.

Armed with facts and data, really Dan? I use them all the time and you know it. I am out here standing for what I have to say with my actual name--keeps you honest.

Those who started and kept the Vietnam war going...what were they? Those who allowed China to take over all primary manufacturing...what about them? Those of us that allow politicians and newspapers to condition our society with same old half truths...when they mean well...to serve their agenda. Provide one person, outside of current president to run country back into prosperity..?

Pete,

I think you missed my point. Go back and watch the whole clip. He thinks he's giving useful advice. He thinks he knows what he is talking about. He doesn't know what he doesn't know. That's not good in a leader. That's a real problem that could really go south in a second term.

Rasmussen and Gallup polls have, for the most part, been more accurate than any other polls.

You guys just can't stand it, can you?

Dan

Pipe down BobB. You have no idea what makes good leadership.

You can, in fact, use UV light to kill viruses from within and it is being developed as I type this. He was absolutely correct on that and a 5 second search on Google would have pointed you in the right direction.

But you'd rather sit there and spout complete and utter nonsense.

He says he was being sarcastic about the injection of disinfectants. I have to take him at his word.

Dan

“Rasmussen and Gallup polls have, for the most part, been more accurate than any other polls.”

Dan, you are literally making things up based on nothing because you wish them to be true and deny when faced with actual facts. That is what Trump does. I guess this is what you mean by “fighting” . A fearless armchair warrior limited only by bone spurs.

Kathleen,

"Armed with facts and data, really Dan? I use them all the time and you know it."

Then demonstrate how Trump has been a failure as a President beyond "he's a meany" and we can have a rational discussion.

Did you like his foreign policy wins? Why or why not?
Did you like his economic wins? Why or why not?
Were the tariffs a success? Why or why not?
Was his cancelling all visits from foreign nationals during COVID a good call? why or why not.
How is he doing with unemployment for black and hispanic americans? Is he effective?

These are only a few things we can discuss with regards to effectiveness.

If you want to talk about his fighting with the press, sorry, no sale here, I just don't care.

Let's talk about real issues and results, not your emotions.

Dan

Remembering when we had an all-star school board, according to some people, when transitioning into a unified school district. Yet we couldn’t be inspired enough to come up with $60-$70 thousand dollars to continue busing for our children...was the board ignorant? Now, the neighborhoods around our schools are continuing to complain about parents and kids in neighborhood...but not blowers and landscapers. Are all those community leaders that endorsed measure m, ignorant, because by name alone, a bond to secure school districts future...failed. Oh yeah, you had to endorse, name wise, so your peer group would not detest you. What is ignorant, is supporting something you can not monitor its worth...in real time.
Pleasanton is a great place to live. The new branding of our Community sucks. Wish PW would 86 me off forever. My addition to ignorance, bloggers, is at an impasse. Thank you...
Our extremely talented “We the People” debate teams past and present could actually demonstrate the foolishness/hate of present administration is not so different than past administrations. Neither party is in control...and that sucks...for both.

Ken,

I'll go right back at you as I just did with Kathleen.

If you want to make your case on not liking any of Trumps policies and such, then state your case.

Talking about your diagnosis of Trumps mental condition is of no use to the bigger picture.

In fact, the reason why you continue to talk about things like polls and mental diagnosis is because YOU CAN'T DEABTE THE FACTS ABOUT HIS POLICIES.

Tell me exactly WHY you think he has been a failure.

Was it because before governors started shutting down states, we had the best economy in the HISTORY of the US?

Did you hate that? Why?

Was it because we had the lowest unemployment in the history of the US?

Did you hate that? Why?

Talk to me about substantive issues instead of your unprofessional opinion regarding his mental state.

Otherwise, you just aren't a serious person.

Thanks Ken...been fun.

Dan

Dan, they aren't remotely close to trying to put light inside the body yet--a vaccine is closer, and that isn't close enough. As for the polls, I can stand them--believe them even. What I can't quite figure out is how so many people he has lied to can continue to look past the lies to say he is a good leader.

Pete, the economy started it's growth period in mid-2009.

"Neither party is in control...and that sucks...for both." <---THIS!

This is exactly correct.

A majority of US Senate and House Republicans, and all Democrats HATE Donald Trump.

It isn't because of Trumps demeanor, though that's what they like to say. It's because Trump is not in THEIR CLUB.

All the other Presidents were in the club. They all wanted Globalization. They wanted wars and foreign policy that helped line their own pockets.

Now we have someone who is actually trying to fight for the middle and most commenters on this thread and others have no understanding of what he's attempting to do.

So given that, all you have is "Trump is a meany, narcissistic, bombastic bully who bashes reporters, RINOS and Democrats!!".

I bet you ALL are loving your stock portfolios and pensions tied to the market right about now...aren't you?

Hypocrites.

Dan

Kathleen,

"Dan, they aren't remotely close to trying to put light inside the body yet--a vaccine is closer, and that isn't close enough."

That doesn't make his remark untrue, does it?

Honestly Kathleen, I give you all these chances to debate policy outcomes and why you do/don't like them and you JUST WON'T DO IT. Why?

"Pete, the economy started it's growth period in mid-2009."

I'm so tired of this line.

If I start off at the bottom of the market and it goes up, OF COURSE I will look like a genius. It is a fact, that OBAMA had the weakest recovery of any President.

Dan

I remember all those people railing about Tarriffs on China and how we were going to get high inflation, then when it didn't happen, they just...forgot about it.

I remember when everyone talked about his pulling out of Syria and how there would be a great conflict with Turkey. Never happened,

I remember when everyone was saying the end of the internet was happening when he reversed Net Neutrality. Guess what? Never happened.

I remember when everyone was saying RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA! What happened there?

I can go on and on and on about many of the things you doomsayers were saying about his policies and, strangely enough, none of you will even discuss them anymore.

Why is that?

Dan

It makes his statement dangerous. So tired . . . Web Link

@Dan,
I could discuss his and administrations failed policies on here but It’s pointless and I don’t have the time . There will be no resolution and this is a local forum. You should find another place for that. Reminder, you shared the Gallup poll as some sort of “evidence”. It was you , nobody else that brought it up. I suggest you find another outlet. You are spending too much time and effort supporting Trump and likely your blood pressure is high. Can you discuss with somebody in real life or are they tired of listening?

Dan,

Go back and watch the clip. He had no idea what he was talking about with the detergent or the ultraviolet light "through the skin" and all the nonsense he was babbling. Look at the entire clip for context. He wasn't sarcastic, he wasn't answering a reporter's question. He was being serious and he was talking to Deborah Birx. There is no other way to see that. You have to go watch it.

"Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us." ~ Donald Trump

Clearly a stable genius. Very smart. The most effective. Inject bleach and UV. Her emails!

And Dan,

"Medical experts skeptical: ‘sounds like snake oil to me’"

That company is being investigated for fraud.

Web Link

The man doesn't know what he doesn't know. He is frighteningly ignorant of his own ignorance. Go back and watch the clip.

Hi Ken,

Town Square.

I feel almost sad in reminding you what this forum is called and the entymology of the name.

Perhaps you should look up”Town Squares” and their many purposes in the past?

Just a thought.

Maybe it is YOU that should back away from the keyboard right now, eh friend?

Sincerely,

Dan

Anytime you genius’ want to discuss his policies, I’ll be right here waiting for you.

Lol, I know you won’t but it’s fun needling you anyway.

Dan

BobB,

I’ve watched it many times and have commented on it in past threads.

We just disagree, get over it and stop obsessing.

Dan

@DKHSK wrote "You can, in fact, use UV light to kill viruses from within and it is being developed as I type this."

Sure, you can kill viruses with intense, direct UV light. That may be a good way to quickly kill viruses on exposed surfaces. But it's not going to kill virus particles distributed throughout a human body for the simple reason that human tissue is opaque to UV light.

Trump was rambling and free-associating when he was talking about UV light as a cure for coronavirus. Nothing wrong in itself with rambling along and free-associating with one's thoughts to think up of new ideas. BUT, for obvious reasons, it's not the sort of thing that a President of the United States should be doing in public in front of a national audience.

What Trump did was stupid. Stop trying to excuse his behavior.

Suffice it to say, if he was talking about "Aytu BioScience" (he wasn't), he shouldn't have been. The man doesn't know what he doesn't know and then tells an obvious lie. Go watch it again. You missed it.

Might I suggest Some Good News (SGN) with John Krasinski? Here is the link to Episode 1 of 8 (all on YouTube). Web Link Sometimes a break from the madness is warranted. He does an excellent job finding the good in many of us.

Sure, let’s talk policy.

Eliminating the SALT deductions was a major tax increase to the California, and especially, Pleasanton middle class. This money was then filtered to the wealthiest individuals and corporations in the US. Please defend that.

During historically strong economic conditions, and in stark contrast to the post Great Recession trend of decreasing deficits,Trump managed to drastically increase the deficit add nearly 4 trillion dollars to the national debt. Defend that.

Trump objectively lies to the American public. Constantly. Defend that.

It has been more than 1100 days since trump held a press conference. Defend that.

Trump abandoned the only real allies we had in the Middle East, leaving them to die. Defend that.

Trump raped a 13 year old girl. Defend that.

Trump flaunts laws prohibiting nepotism by hiring his daughter and son in law for positions they are completely and laughably unqualified for. Defend that.

I could go on, but it’s a waste of time. You’re gladly guzzling what trump is putting out and no amount of logic will change that. Hope you enjoy the banana republic you’re helping to support.

Everyone’s knows Biden is a pervert and probably a rapist but he’s a democrat so the media, women’s groups, and the democrats look the other way. There is no possibility he beats Trump. Bet on it.

These attacks on Biden make me wonder: Can Republicans ever just respectfully disagree with and debate against their Democratic counterparts in a calm, rational manner? Why do Republicans feel the need to try to engage in vilification and character assassination of the Democratic Presidential nominee? We've seen it time and time and time again with the viscous character attacks by Republicans against the recent Democratic nominees Al Gore, John Kerry, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton. I don't know why there is so much hatred running through the veins of so many Republicans.

@wombat

Ha ha ha! Nice try. Have you been watching the last 3 years of attacks? And I’m not a Republican.

@Pete

I don't think that the attacks against Donald Trump over the past three years qualify as "character assassination". "Character assassination" is "the malicious and unjustified harming of a person's good reputation". For example, when I write that Donald Trump is shockingly immature, a habitual liar, extremely narcissistic, and writes and speaks and the 4th grade level, that's not "character assassination". It's all factually true.

Your facts are simply your opinion.

“ I don't know why there is so much hatred running through the veins of so many Republicans.”

The Republican Party is a coalition of the hateful, the scared, the self centered, and the wealthy. The first two groups are extremely outspoken, so you hear from them constantly on Internet forums and tv.

urmomz:

It was a democratic faithful party member that shot up the republican charity ball game in DC that killed and wounded republican house representatives.

The hatred being with and remains in the democratic party leadership and their following.

BobB,

"...if he was talking about "Aytu BioScience" (he wasn't), he shouldn't have been."

So why don't you just come out and tell everyone that AYTU BioScience is developing the technology that Trump was specifically referring to, instead of saying that he didn't know what he was talking about?

Why do you have to be so intellectually dishonest with the readers, Bob?

Dan

Wombat,

"But it's not going to kill virus particles distributed throughout a human body for the simple reason that human tissue is opaque to UV light."

See my response to BobB, Mr. Scientist.

Hint, the technology is currently under development.

Thanks for playing.

Dan

"Eliminating the SALT deductions was a major tax increase to the California, and especially, Pleasanton middle class. This money was then filtered to the wealthiest individuals and corporations in the US. Please defend that. "

Bull. You and I both lost our tax deductions over $15k. I deal with it, so should you.

All you libs are VERY happy to vote for all sorts of tax-payer projects because you think that the money comes from some magic fund.

But the second YOUR bottom-line is impacted you run like screaming banshees and claim the world is falling down.

Tough. Take it like a big boy and maybe next time you want a 5 cent tax hike on gas to fund new road that we already pay for through income taxes, you'll think twice.

"Trump managed to drastically increase the deficit add nearly 4 trillion dollars to the national debt. Defend that."

Legitimate question: Who votes on the budget?

Congress, OVERNIGHT, can fix this mess but they never seem to do it.

Why is that?

The rest isn't really about policies. Orange Man Bad...yeah I get it.

Dan

"The Republican Party is a coalition of the hateful, the scared, the self centered, and the wealthy."

Yeah, we're so hateful we attack Senators and break their ribs. Chase out members of the administration from Restaurants. Shoot at congressmen and senators at baseball games.

Yeah, we're just SOOOO HATEFUL.

Dan

"For example, when I write that Donald Trump is shockingly immature, a habitual liar, extremely narcissistic, and writes and speaks and the 4th grade level, that's not "character assassination".

You forgot "extremely successful and productive President" along with your screed.

Dan

"Can Republicans ever just respectfully disagree with and debate against their Democratic counterparts in a calm, rational manner?"

You Democrats had your chance over the last 40 years to have a republican that was "respectful" and "calm" and "rational" with all the Republicans we put up.

It didn't work.

They were ALL labeled "Hitler" or "Monkeys" or "stupid" and a lot worse.

Now you have a fighter and you guys are literally like screaming apes flinging your poo all over your cages.

Its quite extraordinary to watch you meltdown and whine about your tactics being used against you.

It's your game. We now have a President that plays it better.

Get used to it. Crying and whining will only make it worse.

LOL!!!

I really love commenting here!

Dan

@DKHSK wrote “ See my response to BobB, Mr. Scientist. Hint, the technology is currently under development.”

Doesn’t matter if the technology is “under development” or not. Unless the company has made some astounding breakthrough which almost magically makes human tissue transparent to UV light, the idea won’t work. You should have read the Bloomberg article that BobB linked to concerning UV treatments, Dan.;

“Several medical experts raised doubts about the (UV) treatment and suggested it could be dangerous.“

“I would describe this as quack medicine,” said Richard Parsons, senior lecturer in biochemical toxicology at King’s College London. “UVA light is thought to be responsible for the majority of skin cancers that get diagnosed. Shoving a tube with UVA light down somebody’s throat is more likely to cause damage to the cells in the lungs than to kill the coronavirus.”

“Crispin Halsall, an environmental chemist and professor at Lancaster University in the U.K., said that the coronavirus hides itself within cells of the body’s respiratory membrane, and may also be present in other bodily fluids, which would make it difficult for ultraviolet light to eliminate it from the body.“

I”n laboratories, Halsall said, it is common to use UV light to sterilize surfaces. But inside the body, “you are going to do more harm than good,” Halsall said.“

“This treatment sounds like snake oil to me,” Halsall said. “To insert light inside the body, orally or through the skin, is likely to cause serious damage to blood cells, muscle tissue, organ tissue and DNA.”

Bloomberg article; Web Link
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Dan,

Because Trump probably wasn't talking about that fraudulent quack company (see Wombat's comment above) and if he was, it would be another anti-vaxx moment for him -- like when he said vaccines caused autism. Look it up. He still hasn't deleted that tweet.

"Doesn’t matter if the technology is “under development” or not. Unless the company has made some astounding breakthrough which almost magically makes human tissue transparent to UV light, the idea won’t work."

You sound like the genius' at Xerox Park before they gave away the rights to:

1. Graphical user interfaces;

2. Laser printers;

3. Computer-generated bitmap images

4. WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) text editors

5. Object-oriented programming

And there is so much more.

Why? They didn't have vision.

You sound JUST LIKE THEM, Mr. Scientist.

And if you don't know what Xerox Park was, you just aren't the "scientist" you make yourself out to be.

LOL

Dan

I can't read the article from Bloomberg because its behind a paywall.

Did the article mention that the technology is actually license to Cedars-Sinai Hospital? Hmmmmmm?

Did the article have any American Doctors, like, Dr. Pimentel of Cedars-Sinai who stated "“Our team has shown that administering a specific spectrum of UV-A light can eradicate viruses in infected human cells (including coronavirus) and bacteria in the area while preserving healthy cells,”

Look it up boys.

Dan

Edit:

Licensed FROM CEDARS-SINAI.

But you know, Cedars-Sinai is not REALLY a good research hospital. <--- sarcasm.

@DKHSK wrote “ I can't read the article from Bloomberg because its behind a paywall. Did the article mention that the technology is actually license to Cedars-Sinai Hospital? Hmmmmmm?“

No, the article is not behind a firewall, and I already told you that UV light can kill exposed virus particles (in case you didn’t know that already). Again, the problem is that human tissue isn’t transparent to UV.

All sorts of basic technology is licensed from research institutions all the time. Doesn’t mean that the inventors or researchers who are licensing the basic technology know what they are doing.

"No, the article is not behind a firewall,"

I didn't say "firewall", dingus. I said "paywall". I used up my allotment due to reading MANY MANY articles. Which is why I can debate here to "scientists" such as yourself. :)

"and I already told you that UV light can kill exposed virus particles"

Not according to Doctors at Cedars-Sinai. Argue with them Dr Pimentel.

Yawn...time for bed. Can't wait to see your pouting and flailing how you "just can't kill viruses with UV light" again.

Keep saying it based on Doctors from the UK, instead of doctors who, you know, licensed the technology from a reputable and prestigious research hospital.

G'night.

It is fraud. It is as likely to work as cold fusion. He had no idea what he was talking about. Those doctors are being investigated for fraud. Yes the Cedars-Sinai ones.

Fraud's and quacks just like those two doctors from Bakersfield who had their YouTube videos removed. AYTU BioScience also had their YouTube videos removed. For good reason.

And no Trump wasn't being sarcastic about either the detergent or shining the bright lights. He was being completely serious go back and watch the video you need to watch it again.

BobB,

The technology was created and licensed by DOCTORS from Cedars-Sinai Hospital.

So now your against the "experts"?

Turnabout.

Dan

It was created by AYTU BioScience and being evaluated at Cedars. It is as likely to work as cold fusion is to solve our energy problems. It has nothing at all to do with what Trump was babbling about and they are being investigated for fraud.

Dan, I don't believe you are honestly defending Donald Trump's performance. He said he was being sarcastic not just about the detergent but about the detergent, the heat, and the bright light.

You don't really think that was a good performance by Trump you're just having a little bit of fun. That's fine.

Dr. Judy Mikovits was an expert at a prestigious lab too. And a fraud.

Still I don't think you're really defending Donald Trump talking about detergent, heat, and light. We can all agree that that was a dismal, embarrassing performance. Even if you're not saying so.

BobB,

Believe anything you want BobB. I'm not here to force you to believe anything.

But when you start demanding I believe your hogwash, that's where we have a little problem.

Been fun, but I've grown tired of you.

Dan

You missed my point. I was just saying I respect your opinion too much to believe that you're not kidding.

@DKHSK wrote “I used up my allotment due to reading MANY MANY articles. Which is why I can debate here to "scientists" such as yourself.“

LOL! You think that you were effectively debating the subject? Your comment above reminds me of Trump’s “I’m not a doctor but I have common sense.”

@BobB wrote “Dan, I don't believe you are honestly defending Donald Trump's performance. He said he was being sarcastic not just about the detergent but about the detergent, the heat, and the bright light.”

True. Trump effectively disowned his own comments about UV light and and injecting disinfectants by claiming that it was all “sarcastic”. He - unlike a certain Trump supporter here - was at least smart enough to realize that trying to maintain his position was hopeless.

So no more comments here on the topic of Tara Reade and her accusation against Biden? I’m still trying to figure out why Trump supporters would want to bring up the subject of sexual assault allegations in an election year given Trump’s own vulnerabilities on the subject.

Dan refuses to acknowledge that anything Trump says or does was wrong. This is why Dan loses all credibility. He defends the indefensible and everyone who reads it dismisses all Dan says because it’s absurd. It’s sad because Dan does seem to spend time and effort on his lost cause.

Ken

Seems like you also are unable to accept the wrong that Biden has done

Senator touchy feely has been creating a threatening environment for woman throughout his career, particularly as senator.

He uses the excuse that “things were different then” when in fact they were not.

Even the sexual harassment training I gave my employees in the mid-80s highlighted that unwanted touching between anyone was not acceptable.

The other key understanding- the creation of a threatening / harassing environment had everything to do with the perception of the victim and not the intent of the harasser.

He is no different than Trump in this regard.

@Pot,

He is plenty different from Trump. For starters, Trump brags about it.

@Pot wrote “ He is no different than Trump in this regard”

Trump has gone much, much further. He has about two dozen women claiming that he has sexually assaulted him. He was also caught on an audio recording boasting about grabbing womens’ private parts. He’s also committed adultery at least twice that we know of (Stormy and McDougal).

The vast difference between Trump and Biden in regards to treatment of women is a no-brainer.

Another great example where people let their hatred of Trump blind themselves to the reality of others’ behavior.

I’m not Trump fan and did not vote for him.

I don’t accept the bad behavior others because Trump’s behavior is so terribly bad in comparison.

It’s really alarming of what people are doing - amything goes in the war against Trump......

I've said my peace on Trumps comments. You all can stop obsessing on them because I am not changing my mind.

Don't like my comments?

Tough. Take it and move on.

Dan

So Pot v Kettle, I asked this already: People have turned a blind eye to the affairs/infidelity of many of our leaders through the ages. Roosevelt, all the Kennedys, Trump. So if we excuse them by ignoring it all, do we excuse Biden if it is true? Why or why not? Where are we at with our complicity and hypocrisy?

I will add that nothing has been proven yet regarding Biden. We know it’s true for Trump . . . Marla Maples.

If you really want to see Biden in his real form, check out the documentary "Created Equal: Clarence Thomas in His Own Words" on KQED (PBS).

You can stream it easily. Instead of going to bed last night I stayed up until 3am to finish watching it.

Biden and all the Democrats on that committee were scurrilous racists who were out to get a true American railroaded.

I'm glad Justice Thomas persevered. He will go down as one of the brilliant legal minds in generations. His view on Natural Law is breathtakingly simple and elegant.

Dan

Kathleen,

"So if we excuse them by ignoring it all, do we excuse Biden if it is true?"

I don't know, Kathleen. Do you?

Here is a list of all the accusations of sexual misconduct by Trump. Critically read each of the circumstances and tell us what you think.

Web Link

My personal opinion, most of the accusations don't have any substantiation other than an election was happening.

Trump used locker room talk to describe his opinion about certain women, and how they react to rich, powerful men. No one every questioned whether what he said is true. Any honest person would no doubt have heard of "sugar daddies", so my guess would be that his statement is very accurate, and THIS, coupled with the accusations has painted a picture that might not be entirely accurate.

If I were to be intellectually honest, I'd say that Biden deserves to be believed too, JUST LIKE TRUMP.

Accusations do not make someone guilty.

Politically?

I think Joey Biden should be leveled by all means necessary. Right out of the Democrats playbook.

Dan

Kathleen

Suggest you reread my comment about not letting the terrible actions of others keeping me from seeing the bad behavior of others.

Biden’s behavior is unacceptable

@Pot

Guess that when we go to vote in November between Trump and Biden, we’ll just have to decide whose behavior is more unacceptable.

"we’ll just have to decide whose behavior is more unacceptable."

Or you can vote who's been more effective at his job...maybe?

What EXACTLY has Biden accomplished in his 40 years in the Senate and 8 as VP?

What the hell was he doing all that time?

Trump is going to win this easy and I am going to love engaging with all of you for the next term.

Dan

OR

Since you know Biden will win CA, you can actually make a statement with you vote. Pick an Independent candidate.

Some may think this is a wasted vote, but sending a message that we need to get better candidates. To have Trump and Biden be the only candidates out of a population of almost 350 million people is pretty sad for our country.

Same goes for the choice between Trump and Clinton.

The sooner people stop playing this stupid game we are forced to play every four years and start demanding excellent choices to choose from, the sooner we can get this country in a netter place with a better future.

FYI. I am registered non-partisan and think people should start doing the same. Get out of the partisan fighting and show the Dems and Reps that neither party’s is acceptable and make them earn your vote. I’m tired of being told to vote against the bad candidate instead of being given the opportunity to vote for a good candidate.

"I'm glad Justice Thomas persevered. He will go down as one of the brilliant legal minds in generations. His view on Natural Law is breathtakingly simple and elegant."

Wow... anyone who think's Thomas is "brilliant" is either a complete ideologue or pays no attention to his legal opinions. It is quite clear from reading the few opinions Thomas is allowed to write that he simply does not grasp simple legal concepts. He's somewhat intelligent when compared to your average Joe, but he is way out of his league in the judiciary, and especially the supreme court.

While I disagree with many of the conservative justice's viewpoints, I can respect their intelligence and legal chops. Thomas, on the other hand, is a relative dullard.

"It is quite clear from reading the few opinions Thomas is allowed to write that he simply does not grasp simple legal concepts."

He's written 600 opinions. 30% more than any current sitting justice.

Congratulations! You've been branded as being even more ridiculous than Wombat.

Step away from your keyboard. You've been pwned.

Dan

"He's somewhat intelligent"

LOL!

Holy Cross, Yale.

Yeah, a real dullard and dummy. <---sarcasm.

Dan

" It is quite clear from reading the few opinions Thomas is allowed to write that he simply does not grasp simple legal concepts. He's somewhat intelligent when compared to your average Joe, but he is way out of his league in the judiciary, and especially the supreme court."

"While I disagree with many of the conservative justice's viewpoints, I can respect their intelligence and legal chops. Thomas, on the other hand, is a relative dullard."


I just can't get over what a stupid response this is!!!

LOL!

Dan

Pot, I read it correctly and was agreeing. This November we cannot play around with votes. Republicans need to hear loud and clear that the Trump/McConnell travesty is over. Sadly, that means Biden, unless the convention miraculously gives us a better choice.

If a third party candidate jumps into the race, Trump will probably be reelected.

@Kathleen,

So you saying affairs by Clinton, Kennedy, and maybe Trump are the same as sexual assault or rape by Biden? His behavior is disgusting and a woman should never be treated that way. He should be locked up. cVRir

Maybe Trump? Please. He had an affair with Maples while married to Ivanna. For Biden, the accuser has a credibility problem. I imagine if the allegation is proven, Biden’s bid is over.

Kathleen

Amazing you continue to throw Trump into the mix to avoid looking at Biden honestly.

He has been on the “touchy feely creep” watch list for years.

It’s the 21st century now - woman don’t have to put up with people like him.

If fact, NOBODY needs to put up with creeps like him who foster a hostile environment.

It does not matter what Trump has done if the discussion is about Biden’s harassing treatment of woman.

@Kathleen Ruegsegger

Oh, thanks Kathleen. I didn't know that. So that ups Trump's count of known adulteries to at least three to go along with the approximately two dozen sexual assault allegations against him:

(1) Adultery against wife Ivanna with Marla Maples
(2) Adultery against wife Melania with Karen McDougal
(3) Adultery against wife Melania with 'Stormy'

Yes, this is the guy with whom Republicans are now trying to adopt a "Holier than Thou" attitude.

@Pot wrote "It does not matter what Trump has done if the discussion is about Biden’s harassing treatment of woman."

It might help your credibility somewhat if you directed some of your fire against the guy running against him who has about 24-TIMES MORE sexual assault allegations against him. As it is, your one-sided criticism makes you appear to be a very weakly disguised partisan attempting to engage in politically motivated character assassination.

Just sayin'.

So now rape and adultry are the same thing? Amazing!!!

Wombat

The original topic of the post was concerning Biden’s behavior, not Trump’s.

My comments reflect on the original topic and the fact that the Trump haters very quickly turned it away from Biden on to Trump.

I believe the political people called this type pf action ‘deflection’ or ‘distraction’.

Anything they can do to avoid talking the truth about Biden

I voted for Amy K. in the primary and won’t be voting for Trump or Biden in the fall election.

They are both suboptimal candidates and don’t deserve my vote.

Look, PvK, Trump absolutely had at least one proven affair. Until and when there is concrete proof on Biden, then he is the candidate. Neither would be my choice, just like four years ago.

@Pot,

“It does not matter what Trump has done if the discussion is about Biden’s harassing treatment of woman.”
That is laughably absurd. They are literally running against each other for the most powerful position in the United States. It’s all about comparison. You don’t get to only talk about Biden and dismiss all of Trump’s proven allegations/lawsuits involving harassment, rape, etc, just because you say so!!
What a joke.

@Pot wrote “The original topic of the post was concerning Biden’s behavior, not Trump’s.“

I think that your response is a bit disingenuous. You know very well that the reason that this allegation against Biden is featured prominently in the news at all is because he’s the Democratic Presidential nominee running against Trump. So don’t try to tell me that Trump’s history with women including the two dozen sexual assault allegations against him isn’t relevant to the discussion. Any criticism focused on either one of the candidates also needs to be examined in regards to the other one.

I think its also alarming about Biden touching and rubbing young girls. That is weird on a lot of levels. He has some real issues. He should release his Senate records so that we can see what is in the University of Delaware records. There is a reason he will not do that.

Deflection, Distraction, Denial

That’s exactly what the Dems and Reps want.

You are getting the candidates you deserve.

Bullies, pervs, sexual predators, harassers, mentally unstable and dementia impaired. .

PvK, the fact we can’t find anyone better, or that anyone better can’t seem to survive, to run should be a concern to all of us.

what? Apparently, the accuser has to request the documents from the Senate. Biden can’t himself release them.

Kathleen - Exactly!

@karhleen,
Um yeah, of course it’s a concern. This is not a new idea. There have been detailed pieces written about the difficulty finding normal people to run for high political office due to the pressures and intense personal and media infringement. Not many have the tolerance for that. Most of us would not. It’s only gotten worse in recent years with the internet. The Democratic Party is very aware of it and yes, it’s concerning and not easily solved. In the case of 2020 we all know the choices we have and the comparison beteeen Trump and Biden makes Biden look like a Boy Scout. Everyone knows who the better candidate is.

Ken,

The voters were the problem, not the candidates. John Delaney would have been a far better nominee, for instance.

"Everyone knows who the better candidate is."

Yes we do. The better candidate is Trump.

You'll find this out on November 3rd, of this year.

I'll be right here to remind you of this fact.

Dan

"The voters were the problem, not the candidates."

Sure pal. You keep believing that.

And you know what? When he's re-elected I'll be right here for you too.

Dan

Look people.

You will NOT find another, more determined and successful President or candidate than Trump for the remainder of our lives and its for one reason and only one:

He isn't beholden to SPECIAL INTERESTS. He didn't take money from corporations and lobbyists.

Every other candidate that comes from within the political establish has his KINGMAKER/S. Look it up.

And therein lies the rub with you all.

He plays his own tune. He's brash; says outrageous things; conflicts with members of BOTH parties amongst other things.

BUT!

He is, as far as I can tell, an intensely loyal man who loves his family and his country and he's accomplished more in 3.5 years than any other modern-day President and most of the past.

Go ahead. Keep wanting to give the establishment its power back. You'll get 4-8 years of superficial accomplishments like the ACA, or NAFTA, or the IRAN Deal, and more foreign wars.

I'm still waiting for someone, ANYONE, to tell me what Biden accomplished in 40 years as a Senator and 8 as VP.

Let's compare records with just 3.5 of Trump.

Dan

Some of Bidens accomplishments. See if you agree with them:

1. Clarence Thomas Hearings - He oversaw the attempt to stifle an accomplished and educated African American by using trumped up and false allegations of sexual abuse. Suffice to say Biden got his a-s handed to him.
2. 1994 Crime Bill - He voted in favor of a bill that led to mass incarcerations of criminals. (Say, this sounds like a good thing, but you DEMS hated the bill.)
3. Had to drop out of the 1988 presidential race for plagiarism - A cheater. How typical.
4. Reportedly used his son’s death for his own political gain in 2016
5. He voted to gut welfare - Well...this isn't bad at all! Democrats hated it.
6. He gave Obama a classic racist backhand compliment - sayin “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.” What an idiot.
7. Voted to overturn Glass-Steagall - A Great Depression bill, created as a firewall between investment banking and FDIC-insured deposits, meaning that Wall Street could not gamble with your savings.
8. Eulogized one of America’s most famed racists - Strom Thurmond. A singularly repulsive man. 'nough said.
9. Opposed school integration in the 1970s - Ironically, so did Supreme Court Clarence Thomas.
10. Biden voted for the Iraq War.

Wow, I'm surprised that I agree with him on 3 of the things he's done from above.

But the real question is: What do his supporters think of this list?

LOL

Dan

Dean
“He isn't beholden to SPECIAL INTERESTS.” No he takes from the rest to give to the rich; he makes certain taxpayers are covering the costs of staying at his hotels; he has not stopped his involvement in his corporation; he gains from foreign countries staying at his DC hotel—I’m sure there is more, but I’ll leave it there. I won’t defend Biden either; he just is not the best candidate. It’s the rare VP who gets the spotlight, btw. Just look at Trump’s permanent shadow.

fords friend said she was not with her when ford said this happened and was never told. Tara actually told several people at the time and they have stayed that.
Stark contrast here to "evidence"
It was obvious ford was lying. Obvious. Not so much with tara,although i think she is loke alot of women using sex to attack men. Blasey ford is a sexual predetor. Peopke who supported ford and the fake me too beleive all wonen are weazels and hypocrits. Tara accusations are way more credible that fords. As for tje other so called 25. At least one owes trump alot of money for lying. Stormy whoreshow. So how many women do yoi think have made up stories of secual assaualt and harressment by men. How many have lied. You have to be an idiot to believe all women. MANY OF YOU WHO SHOUTED THAR ON THIS FORUM NOW DONT QANT TO BELEIVE TARA. LOSERS BELEIVE ALL WOMEN WHAT A STUPID STATEMWNT BUT YOU SAID IT. TOO STUPID TO REALIZE IT QOULD BE TURNED BACK ON YIUR FATHER HUSBAND OR SON. LET ME EXPKAIN WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. GUIKTY UNTILL PROVE INNOCENT.
YOU DONT DESERVE TO LIVE IN THIS CUNTRY. EVERYINE OF YOU LOSERS WHO TOWED THE LINE BELEIVE ALL WOMEN OF WHCH MANY OF YOU DID GO F YOURSELF. YOUVE BEEN EXPOAED SHALL I PASTE AND COPY YOUR PAST COMMENTS WEASALS. GRAMMATICCALY INCORRECT TO PISS OFF GRAMMER POLICE GINA IS A HACK WHO CENSORS PEOPKE FOR ASKONG QUESTIONS THEN XHIMES IN THQTITS OK TO ASK QUESTION. HEY GINA DID YOU BELEIVE ALLK WOMEN TOO ? Losers

@DKHSK wrote “ He plays his own tune. He's brash; says outrageous things; conflicts with members of BOTH parties amongst other things.“

Oh, come on, Dan. You’re underselling Trump. Not only has he gotten into fights and conflicts with members of both parties, but he’s even gotten into bizarre, embarrassing public fights with his very own cabinet members, people who he himself personally vetted and hired! I mean, what other President in the history of the United States has publicly humiliated and ridiculed his own Attorney General (Jeff Sessions) or has publicly challenged his own Secretary of State (Rex Tillerson) to an IQ contest?

juat saw a video pf biden groping and sniffing the hair of a 10byear old girl. Creepy pervert. Who does that to a little girl. A pervert thats who. She looks really uncomfortable. Heyblibs its on tape so you cant lie about it .
Creepy joe biden gropping a young girls shoulders and sniffing her hair. Pervert pervert pervert. If you support this guys its cause your a pervert too. # me too lol # beleive all women lol. # hastag biden gropes young girl and liberals still aupport him and defend him. # perverts for biden.
Grammer poliza is a loserrr

"But the real question is: What do his supporters think of this list?"

We think it makes him barely qualified to be president, which is an enormous improvement over the disaster of the last four years.

"He isn't beholden to SPECIAL INTERESTS. He didn't take money from corporations and lobbyists."

Huh?

Contributor Total
GH Palmer Assoc $4,005,400
Blackstone Group $3,017,015
America First Action/Linda McMahon $2,747,726
Uline Inc $2,281,682
Stephens Inc $1,500,000
Silver Lake Partners $1,005,425
Irving Moskowitz Foundation $1,000,000
America First $823,263
Mountaire Corp $800,000
Midland Energy $750,000
TL Management $750,000
Alliance Coal $500,091
RDV Corp $434,125
Hamlin Capital Management $375,000
Hawaiian Gardens Casino $300,000
Ariel Corp $263,500
Advance Financial $254,883
Vital Pharmaceuticals $252,025
Friess Assoc $250,000
Gen Cap America $175,000

And that's just in 2020. Come back to reality please.

"Defendant Trump had sexual contact with me at four different parties in the summer of 1994. On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied me to a bed, exposed himself to me, and then proceeded to forcibly rape me. During the course of this savage sexual attack, I loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but he did not. Defendant Trump responded to my pleas by violently striking me in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted,

Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump’s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I wold be physically harmed if not killed."

From a 13 year old girl.

This was corroborated by a witness:

"I personally witnessed four sexual encounters that the Plaintiff was forced to have with Mr. Trump during this period, including the fourth of these encounters where Mr. Trump forcibly raped her despite her pleas to stop.

I personally witnessed the one occasion where Mr. Trump forced the Plaintiff and a 12-year-old female named Maria [to] perform oral sex on Mr. Trump and witnessed his physical abuse of both minors when they finished the act.

It was my job to personally witness and supervise encounters between the underage girls that Mr. Epstein hired and his guests."

I'll take "creepy" over a violent sexual predator that repeatedly rapes 13 year old girls, thanks.

Kathleen,

"No he takes from the rest to give to the rich".

This is demonstrably false. Do you mean to tell me NO ONE received a tax decrease from Trump? I could swear that I know at least 75% of my family members received it.

I did not. I understood the bigger picture when it came to SALT deductions and I agreed with them.

I've always noticed that RINOS and Democrats love to add on taxes to gas, sales taxes and even property taxes, but tax more of their income checks and eliminate their deductions and they aren't so much in favor of THOSE sorts of things.

Make up your minds. You either like to pay taxes or you don't.

No one *likes* paying taxes, and I don’t vote for them because, no matter whose side you choose to vote for, most of the language is vague and the money floats to things we didn’t agree to.

Dan - other than people paying less in taxes, what policy objective did the tax cut accomplish? The economy kept chugging along at the same pace it had been before the tax cut. Unemployment kept decreasing at the same steady rate. COVID excluded, the country's economic situation is pretty much the same as it was prior to the tax cut. The typical middle class taxpayer may have received a couple hundred bucks, which is far from life-changing. The wealthy and corporations, on the other hand, received enormous benefits.

This giveaway all needs to be paid for somehow. We've put trillions of dollars on the credit card that our children and their children will have to pay for.

As a responsible and financially conservative person, I would prefer to have our country pay its own bills rather than giving trillions of dollars away to the wealthy and kicking the can down the road. You try and justify it with the pittance some of the middle class got, but it pales in comparison to the money given to the wealthy at the cost of our children. Only the most cynical could justify something like this.

Urmomz wrote “other than people paying less in taxes, what policy objective did the tax cut accomplish? The economy kept chugging along at the same pace it had been before the tax cut.“

You mean other than people paying less in taxes AND causing a nearly 1 Trillion dollar budget deficit.

There was no good purpose served by a massive tax break when the economy was doing well. It made a lie out of Republican claims that they are the party of “fiscal responsibility”. If this country can’t balance its budget when the economy is doing extremely well, then WHEN can this country ever balance its budget?

Kathleen,

"he makes certain taxpayers are covering the costs of staying at his hotels"

He has stated that he charges "cost" for his hotel rooms, which ends up being cheaper than the government allowance for rooms while traveling.

So he actually saves taxpayers money.

I'm not surprised that you aren't aware of this. Your media sources don't want you to know.

Dan

"other than people paying less in taxes, what policy objective did the tax cut accomplish?"

Question asked and answered.

I don't blame Trump for the finances of this country. The blame is squarely on Congress and both parties for how they dole it all out.

Why do we spend our money to prop up foreign governments that hate us? What do we get from the deals?
Why do we allow illegal immigrants to flood the US and take up our social services and education?
Why do we commit to wars that have lasted over 15 years now?
Why do we have more pot holes in our roads, yet our taxes keep going up and up to allegedly fix these pot holes
Why do we have to pay unions to do work for the city, when non-unions follow the exact same rules and regulations and can build for a fraction of the cost.

I can go on and on and on, but you'll never get the point. You'd rather throw stones than to cast aspersions on yourself.

As I've made clear from the very beginning. The Democrats and vast majority of Republican lawmakers DO NOT have your best interests in mind.

Dan

DKHSK wrote "He has stated that he charges "cost" for his hotel rooms, which ends up being cheaper than the government allowance for rooms while traveling. So he actually saves taxpayers money."

Trump charged the Secret Service $650 per night per room to stay at Mar-a-Lago, but Dan thinks that that's Trump charging "cost" and that it's "cheaper than the government allowance".

DKHSK wrote "So he actually saves taxpayers money."

LOL! Stop it, Dan! You're cracking me up!

"He has stated that he charges "cost" for his hotel rooms, which ends up being cheaper than the government allowance for rooms while traveling.

So he actually saves taxpayers money."

The delusion runs deep, lol...

"The Secret Service is required to tell Congress twice a year about what it spends to protect President Trump at his properties.

But since 2016, it has only filed two of the required six reports, according to congressional offices. The reasons, according to Secret Service officials: key personnel left and nobody picked up the job.

Even in those two reports, the lines for Bedminster and Mar-a-Lago were blank."

"Donald Trump’s company charges the Secret Service for the rooms agents use while protecting him at his luxury properties – billing US taxpayers at rates as high as $650 (£500) per night, according to federal records and people who have seen receipts."

"At Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club, the Secret Service was charged the $650 (£500) rate dozens of times in 2017, and a different rate, $396.15 (£305) dozens more times in 2018, according to documents from Mr Trump’s visits."

Please, get out of here with that BS. At some point, people are going to learn that almost everything Trump says is a lie, right?

DKHSK wrote "So he actually saves taxpayers money."

The Delusion is strong with this one, Luke......

Wombat and other geniuses et al.

From Eric Trump, regarding the "accusation" made by the "undisclosed sources" to WAPO regarding "$650 room rates" for Secret Service agents:

"They talk about, you know, the U.S. government paying $600 for a room at Mar-a -Lago. And it's not $600 for a room, it's $600 for many rooms," said the younger Trump, who added: "Legally, by law, you have to charge the federal government something, otherwise you get into all sorts of gift laws."

Did you all get that straight? "$600 for MANY "ROOMS"...combined!!

You guys/gals are either 1.) lying or 2.) not reading other sources that have DIRECT KNOWLEDGE.
You're just phoning it in right now.

Up your games, especially you urmomz.

Dan

Dan, The Newshour. Analysis of trips to his place in Scotland by military and others—way more than “cost”. For one, they would otherwise never have stayed there. Out of the way, as it was for Pence’s trip. I don’t think we have the whole picture yet, but add paying for his kids and their kids globetrotting and golfing every other minute. It’s going to be embarrassingly costly.

@DKHSK wrote "From Eric Trump, regarding the "accusation" made by the "undisclosed sources" to WAPO regarding "$650 room rates" for Secret Service agents.....Did you all get that straight? "$600 for MANY "ROOMS"...combined!!"

Oh, sure, Dan. Because if you can't trust Eric Trump to tell the truth, then WHO CAN you trust, right?

"New documents show Trump Organization has charged Secret Service $628,000 since 2017" - The Hill, 3/5/20.

"New Filing Shows Eric Trump Raised Millions, Lied About His Foundation's Expenses" - Forbes, 1/12/18

"Eric Trump Gets Humiliatingly Fact-Checked By Fox News Podcast Over Economy Lie" - Huffington Post, 9/14/18

"Eric Trump: ‘95 percent’ of Americans agree with my father" (LIE!) , Politico, 7/17/19

"When Anthony asked Trump if he would provide that information to the House Oversight Committee, the president's son said he was unwilling to share information that could potentially compromise Secret Service procedures."

Ah, the old "I wish you could meet my girlfriend... but she lives in Canada" defense. One day you'll realize you've fallen for the oldest cons in the book Dan.

"Oh, sure, Dan. Because if you can't trust Eric Trump to tell the truth, then WHO CAN you trust, right?"

Anonymous sources are sooooo much more reliable than the guy running the Trump kingdom.

Here's a thought: if you have proof that the SS paid $600 per room, then go ahead and show it. Until then, I'll rely on Trump vs an "anonymous source"

Grow up.

Dan

Kathleen,

"I don’t think we have the whole picture yet, but add paying for his kids and their kids globetrotting and golfing every other minute."

If I had a dollar for every time you RiNO's and Democrats made accusations of Trump and his family that later turned out to be totally false, I would have quit the tidy sum.

Here's a thought. Why not wait until you DO, in fact, have the complete picture instead of using "anonymous sources" for the basis of a rumor?

Not one of you have mentioned whats going on with Michael Flynn, and the unmasking of Americans by the Obama Administration.

Wonder why?

Dan

@DKHSK wrote " I'll rely on Trump vs an "anonymous source""

It's a free country so you're free to believe in who you want, Dan. But for the record, I posted multiple news stories announcing that Eric Trump is a confirmed liar, stories against which you are unwilling or unable to offer a rebuttal.

Bottom line: You believe in the word of multiple-time confirmed liar Eric Trump. But that's actually not surprising since you also believe in the word of multiple-time confirmed liar Donald Trump.

Trump vs. Socialist Dem in Nov. Economy vs. Spying and Lying administration. I will be voting for Tump.

Hey Michael

What’s for dinner tonight?

These political hate war of words are getting tiresome.....

Let’s move on to something more interesting

Joe “the rapist” Biden says if you don’t vote for him your not black!!!

Dan, you know how to work the internet, but here is a 2017 SF Chron article where taxpayers had already covered $11.3MM in one month: Web Link It was costing $500K a day to guard Melania when she stayed in New York. Here’s NBC news on military in Scotland.

Sorry: Web Link

Joe Biden to a black man:

"If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't Black."

Web Link

Racist.

And you all have the nerve to talk about Trumps bluster.

You're all hypocrites. Every last one of 'ya.

Dan

Kathleen,

If we're going to compare costs with Obama, can you please wait until Trumps 8 years is up so that there is a fair comparison?

I can take a slice out of another time frame and make Obama look worse.

Let's just compare apples to apples, okay?

I shouldn't have to point this out to you.

Dan

DKHSK wrote “If we're going to compare costs with Obama, can you please wait until Trumps 8 years is up so that there is a fair comparison?“

Kathleen, great news story about enormous amounts of US taxpayer dollars being spent for Trump’s Scotland resort. The above statement from Dan is essentially a “mea culpa” from him since he can’t bring himself to openly admit that he’s wrong.

The plot thickens. Tara Reade credibility problems:

“Lawyer says he's no longer representing Biden accuser Tara Reade” - CNN, 5/22/20

“Wigner is parting ways with Reade as many aspects of her background have come under scrutiny in light of her allegation against Biden. On Monday, Reade had told CNN that she received a bachelor of arts degree from Antioch University in Seattle under the auspices of a "protected program," personally working with the former president of the school to ensure her identity was protected while she obtained credits for her degree. She also said that she was a visiting professor at the school, on and off for five years.”

“But a spokesperson for the university told CNN that Reade "attended but did not graduate from Antioch University" and that she was never a faculty member, but she did provide several hours of administrative work. University officials confirmed with former university president Toni Murdoch that no special arrangements existed, university spokeswoman Karen Hamilton said.
An Antioch University official also told CNN that such a "protected program" does not exist and never has.“

CNN story: Web Link
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Dan, pick Obama’s first month. Pick his first year. Pick golf outings for the first three years. You can do it.

Hi Charlie

Roast chicken, corn-on-the-cob, glass of white wine.

@DKHSK wrote “ Joe Biden to a black man: ...”

LOL! Yeah, that is pretty bad, Dan. But you want to hear something really funny? Your guy is going to lose to him In November because your guy is an even worse candidate!

"LOL! Yeah, that is pretty bad,"

So I guess racism is funny to you.

Got it. It is for most November right after the election. We'll see who's right.

"A Virginia city that voted for Barack Obama, twice, voted for Hillary Clinton, voted for Terry McAuliffe and Ralph Northam, even gave a solid majority to Jennifer Lewis in her 2018 congressional run against Ben Cline, is now controlled by Republicans.”

Web Link

Coupled with the special election that just happened here in California and we might just be seeing the start of a wave thats coming...a RED WAVE.

See you kids in November.

Dan

@DKHSK wrote “So I guess racism is funny to you.“

You thought that Biden’s comment was an instance of “racism”? LOL! I need to get you a dictionary for your birthday.

Great documentary: Slay the Dragon. About gerrymandering. Trailer: Web Link

“You thought that Biden’s comment was an instance of “racism”?“

Then why did he apologize for saying it?

LOL!

Dan

@DKHSK wrote "Then why did he apologize for saying it?"

Seriously? Dan, are you trying to lower my estimation of your intelligence even lower than it already is?

Wombat, just answer the question. Is it that hard?

@WTF

What, are you as obtuse as Dan?
Or maybe you are Dan....
;-)

I’ll answer the question. Biden is a pervert, rapist, ped, and now we find out he is a racist to boot. What a POS. eK5Em

Wombat. Yes I am slow to understand blowhards like you. It is hard to believe your thinking. Now answer the question.

you aint black. LoL

anyyone catxh the statemwnt from the director of the naacp. " the naacp has one mission and that is fighting for and advancing our black communities towards an equitable reality" really just black people huh. Fighting against who? All those thatvare not black? When you choose to support defend or fight for just black people. Your a racist by the litteral definition of racism.
Now go read tje mission statement ofn the naacp web page. Says sonething different. LOL. Thanks for letting us kbow inbyour comments your mission statement is a lie. Your really about one race black people. MLK is rolling is his grave.

joe biden is a sexist and i can prove it. When you state that you will ignore the constitution and violate the law. Remember libs no one is above the law. Well other than illegal immmigrants and the libs freinds. So the proof you say
Ready ready ready? He said he woukd only hire a vp who was a women. THATS CALLED SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION. AND HIRING BECAUSE SHE IS BLACK IS RACIAL DISCRIMNATION. ITS UNCONSTITIONAL.
LOL. LETS SEE HOW MANY AMERICANS WHO ARENT PROTECTED CAN OOENKY SAY THEY WILL ONLY HIRE WHITE MEN.
sobif youbsupport joe biden you supoirt sexism and racism. The motto of the democratic party. I woukd be embarresed to call mysekf a dem in these times. But thanks to all the losers we now know who you are. EXPOSED AGAIN

The only reasonable response to @wow is,
Stay in school kids!!

The only reasonable response to blowhard wombat is "answer the question".

So I went back and took a look at Kathleen's claims that Trump was traveling and spending WAY more than Obama and I found the following article:

Web Link

Trump spent $13.5M and change for his first year on the job. Let's say that he keeps his travel costs the same. At the end of 8 years Trump will have spent a grand total of $108,271,498.

Obama's total after 8 years: $114,691,322.17

What makes this all the more surprising is that a conservative legal foundation, Judicial Watch, is the one reporting the numbers through FOIA.

Remember when I told you to wait it out and see what happens?

You Trump haters couldn't even do the minimal amount of research. You just threw your stones.

Kathleen, I'm especially surprised in you.

Dan

Dan, A few things you are missing: Donald Jr., Eric, Jared and Ivanka, and Tiffany; also, trips by the military and Pence to stay, out of the way, at Trump’s property in Scotland. It will be way more than Obama, not that I think his trips were reasonable either. Another interesting figure would be how much of any total is going into the Trump corporation (not even counting all the dignitaries hanging out at his DC location). I think I am safe in saying that Obama did not have a corporation where it was the beneficiary of his and his family’s travels. So, I hope we can never prove what Trump, et al, will cost us for eight years. But I also hope there is some kind of revolt at the Democratic convention and we get someone other than Biden, Warren, or Sanders.

@Kathleen Ruegsegger

FYI, "Judicial Watch" is an organization with a far right-wing bias and has little credibility. Check them out:

"Founded in 1994, JW has primarily targeted Democrats, in particular the Presidency of Bill Clinton, the Presidency of Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton. The organization has described climate science as "fraud science" and has filed lawsuits against government climate scientists. JW has made numerous false and unsubstantiated claims that have been picked up by right-wing news outlets."

"Vince Foster conspiracy.
Judicial Watch helped promote the conspiracy theory that Vince Foster was murdered by the Clintons."

"False Nancy Pelosi claims
In 2010, Judicial Watch made inaccurate claims about air travel spending by Nancy Pelosi's congressional delegation; Judicial Watch's claims were picked up by the conservative conspiracy site WorldNetDaily. Judicial Watch also made false claims about Pelosi's air travel in 2008."

"ISIS in Mexico scares
In 2014 and 2015, Judicial Watch falsely claimed that ISIS had set up camp in Mexico; Judicial Watch's claims were picked up by several right-wing news outlets."

"False claims about Trump Nazi billboard
In 2017, Judicial Watch falsely claimed that taxpayer money went into a billboard which depicted President Donald Trump as a Nazi."

Wikipedia: Judicial Watch: Web Link
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@DKHSK wrote "You Trump haters couldn't even do the minimal amount of research."

"Research" done by the far-right loony-tunes at "Judicial Watch"? LOL!

Trump's golf costs ALONE have exceeded $100 million:

"Trump's Golfing has Cost Taxpayers $102 Million, Just $12.7 Million Behind Obama's Travel During Entire Presidency: Report" - Newsweek, 5/22/20

"Trump Golf Count: Cost to Taxpayers: $134 Million" - TrumpGolfCount, 5/25/20

"Trump’s favourite hobby costs the taxpayer the equivalent of 334 years of the presidential salary" - Indy100, 2/17/20

"Donald Trump frequently boasts about not taking a presidential salary and yet his total taxpayer gold tab has now reached an astonishing $133.8 million. That figure amounts to 334 years of the presidential salary Trump’s fans are so proud he refrains from taking."

Kathleen,

From the article:

"High costs for the travel and security of Trump, his wife, and his adult children led the Secret Service to meet budget constraints for the pay of hundreds of agents in August of 2017."

So yes, the numbers include his wife and children.

You'd know this if you had read the article.

Dan

Hey Wombat,

The travels costs were gathered using FOIA. Look it up.

If you have ANY information that proves JW wrong, look it up yourself and let us know.

Otherwise, go back outside and play.

Dan

@DKHSK

In case you didn't read it the first time I posted it, here is is again: "Trump's golf costs ALONE have exceeded $100 million".

Oh, and here's a hanky to wipe the egg off your face - YET AGAIN!

Dan, they had to increase the budget. I read it. I’m going with Wombat on this one. There is no possible way he is costing less. By the way, this is the guy that said all Obama did was golf and he was going to stay at the White House and work.

Wombat/Kathleen,

Via Snopes (a left wing "fact site"),

"The stated total of $147 million for President Trump and family's travel expenditures over nine months was vastly exaggerated and unsupported by actual data."

Web Link

Good God!

Both of you back away from your keyboards. You're just plain ridiculous!

Dan

Wombat/Kathleen,

From Politifact (You trust this source, right?)

Web Link

"That said, might Trump’s leisure trips and residential circumstances amount to the costliest in presidential history?"

"It’s too early to tell, as even the highest estimates of Trump’s spending can’t match former President Barack Obama’s eight years in office."

Isn't this exactly what I said?

You two are the absolute worse when it comes to research. Try reading alternative claims instead of the left wing ones you rely on. That way, I don't have to sit here on a beautiful day, sipping a rum and coke, responding to your ridiculous claims.

Sincerely,

Dan

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@DKHSK wrote "Via Snopes (a left wing "fact site"), "The stated total of $147 million for President Trump and family's travel expenditures over nine months was vastly exaggerated and unsupported by actual data.""

You just don't know when to give up, Dan. Now you're resorting to Straw Man Arguments by putting up some claim that someone made that Trump spent $147 million in just nine months and then showing that its wrong??? Well, Duh. Did Kathleen or I write that Trump spent $147 million in just nine months?

The Snopes article you presented was published just about 10 months after Trump entered office. The Politifact article was published just 7 months after Trump entered office. We're now OVER THREE YEARS after Trump entered office and have OVER THREE YEARS OF SPENDING to judge Trump by at this point. Want to try to get a bit up-to-date on the topic, Dan?

Oh, and remember to lay off the 'Straw Man Arguments' next time:

"A straw man (or strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man"."

Wombat,

Uh, no you didn't write $147m, but you did relay the following:

"Trump's Golfing has Cost Taxpayers $102 Million, Just $12.7 Million Behind Obama's Travel During Entire Presidency: Report" - Newsweek, 5/22/20

"Trump Golf Count: Cost to Taxpayers: $134 Million" - TrumpGolfCount, 5/25/20

Which goes to show two things:

1.) Your sourcing is a complete mess and not even the sites you draw from can agree on one number and...
2.) You will believe the worst, even if I spoon feed you the truth like the little child that you are.

Carry on...Mr. Scientist.

Dan

In other words:

You post lies and fake news.

I can't wait until he wins in November.

Wild horse won't keep me away from this forum.

Dan

@DKHSK

Hey, Dan! Wake up! Get some coffee! Splash some cold water on your face! The articles that I presented were written THIS MONTH IN THE YEAR 2020 and cover THREE YEARS OF GOLF SPENDING BY TRUMP. The articles you presented were written in August and September OF THE YEAR 2017 and discussed claims at that time about his spending when Trump had been in office FOR LESS THAN A YEAR.

Dan

Just finished a Goslings Black Seal and Coke myself........

Cheers!

Karl,

Nice!

I'm a Plantation Rum man myself, but Goslings is fantastic!

Mount Gay is pretty decent as well.

Have a nice evening Karl.

Dan

How can anybody watch this:

Web Link

...and then compare to Trump is beyond me.

So disturbing on all levels.

Dan

Yep, definitely uncomfortable. How can anyone listen to Trump talking about grabbing women's "body parts" and have elected him anyway?

Kathleen,

Are you suggesting that what Trump said was not true? Even in the slightest?

Is there no such thing as a sugar daddy and sugar baby?

Dan

Yes, Biden has demonstrated inappropriate boundaries with women. This is not some new revelation. Biden has acknowledged his prior inappropriate behavior and made no excuses. Beyond these boundary issues, there has not been a single credible accusation of sexual misconduct against Biden. The fact you think these issues (which are not good) are even remotely comparable to the 24+ sexual assaults Trump has committed is ridiculous. Trump doesn't even have the integrity to acknowledge or apologize for his behavior.

"The fact you think these issues (which are not good) are even remotely comparable to the ALLEGED 24+ sexual assaults Trump has committed is ridiculous."

Fixed it for ya', brah.

Dan

"Yes, Biden has demonstrated inappropriate boundaries with women AND CHILDREN."

Fixed this one too, brah.

Dan

You lose the benefit of alleged after the first dozen or so, brah.

There are bigger issues here. Circle back to that disastrous meeting where he thought he was giving useful advice to real medical personnel and researchers and then claimed he was just being sarcastic. Go back and watch. He even lied about it, saying he was answering a question from a reporter when he clearly wasn't.

Think about what a second term would bring. Is he going to revive the idea of a panel of anti-vaxxers to research "vaccine safety"? The guy thinks he has something of value to say about everything. He doesn't know his limits.

"There are bigger issues here. Circle back to that disastrous meeting where he thought he was giving useful advice to real medical personnel and researchers and then claimed he was just being sarcastic."

Dr's for the CDC predicted 2.5 million fatalities by now in the US when this whole Pandemic started.

There is 100k.

Actions taken place by Trump have so far been a resounding success.

Keep focussing on something COMPLETELY unimportant, genius.

Oh, and can anyone explain why Stockton, STOCKTON! opened up its restaurants last weekend but the Trip-valley has yet to open anything?

I spent a beautiful afternoon on Sunday without a mask on, basking at my Uncles restaurant on the Delta.

Dan

Wear a mask whenever it is required. Social distance as required. Don't be that idiot in Costco who gets ejected because he won't wear one.

"Wear a mask whenever it is required."

I didn't have to, dummy. It wasn't required.

"Actions taken place by Trump have so far been a resounding success." I posted that this is not true already Dan--Keystone Pipeline was on you list of "accomplishments"; so was kicking people off food stamps. Real victories.

And what the heck is this? "Are you suggesting that what Trump said was not true? Even in the slightest? Is there no such thing as a sugar daddy and sugar baby?" At least wtih a sugar daddy and his "baby" there is an agreement between the parties. Trump was talking about walking up to women and doing whatever he wanted because he was famous (walking into the Miss America pageant dressing room "because I own it"). There's a word for that, assault. So one man in the conversation is fired and the other is elected president. Sure, sure, sure--completely sensical.

Kathleen,

With all do respect, you have no idea what some people will do to get close to power and money.

Dan

There is no respect for me or the majority of women in that comment, Dan. I’ve known/know/worked with people who had some measures of power and some who had more money than I can fathom. Most are/were people of integrity. None of the Miss America ladies wanted Trump in the dressing room. Few woman in Trump’s proximity were hoping he would come up and cop a feel. It isn’t like of either of those events would lead to some lasting relationship with him. He’s just a blowhard and an opportunist. You want to be a playboy, be my guest. Just don’t be married. Seems easy enough. And I’m not naive. Of course money and power brings out the worst in some people. As long as they are consenting adults, then whatever. But it is nearly always the case that someone is getting hurt by those actions.

"With all do respect, you have no idea what some people will do to get close to power and money."

How many sexual assault allegations did Obama have? He certainly had money and power.

How many sexual assault allegations did bill gates have? He certainly has money and power.

How many sexual assault allegations did steve jobs have? He certainly had money and power.

How many sexual assault allegations does Mitt Romney have? He certainly has money and power.

How many sexual assault allegations does Dick Chaney have? He certainly has money and power.

How many sexual assault allegations does Warren Buffet have? He certainly has money and power.

How many sexual assault allegations did GWB have? He certainly had money and power.

The list goes on and on and on. It has nothing to do with women doing things for money and power, it has everything to do with trump being a sexual predator.

I've been wracking my brain for 10 minutes trying to think of any rich and powerful people with near the number of allegations that trump does. The only one that comes to mind is Harvey Weinstein and he's sitting in prison where he belongs.

"Most are/were people of integrity."

I'm not talking about the people who are in power. I'm talking about people who who want to be close to that power.

Unless you have had power and money, you have no experience with what people will do to get close to you.

Just ask any sports star or entertainer or billionaire.

You are simply letting emotions overcome reality.

Dan

Name two other rich and powerful people with 25 sexual assault allegations against them. If it’s such a common thing, surely there would be plenty to choose from?

I’ll be waiting.

Or maybe trump is exactly what he appears to be. A sexual predator who is incapable of attracting anyone without violently assaulting them or paying them.

Urmomz,

"The only one that comes to mind is Harvey Weinstein and he's sitting in prison where he belongs."

Exactly!

Because there was EVIDENCE TO HIS CRIMES!!!!!

Good God are you a special one.

"If it’s such a common thing, surely there would be plenty to choose from?"

Bill Clinton

Dan

Clinton has 4. Far less than 25. And those were mostly substantiated.

You’re claiming it’s common for people to have 25 unfounded allegations against them. So far you have 0 examples of this supposedly common phenomenon.

Dan, just stop. Someone throws themselves at a personal who is rich/powerful and that person says, what, “hey, why not?” Nope. It isn’t acceptable. And it isn’t acceptable for the rich/powerful to make themselves “available” if they are in a committed relationship (let’s just say married). It is even less acceptable for these people to assault others in the “do you know who I am” or “I can make your life miserable” approach. Hurting any number of people to get some “strange” is reprehensible.

A smart person would go back and see when the bulk of those allegations were made, then deduce why they were made at the time they were.

YOU, are not that person.

Thanks for playing.

Dan

So you can’t name a single example of this common phenomenon. I guess trump just happened to get struck by lightning. 25 times.

Or it’s exactly as it appears and trump is a violent child rapist.

Your attempts to equate these two things is disgusting.

Kathleen,

"Dan, just stop"

No.

"Someone throws themselves at a personal who is rich/powerful and that person says, what, “hey, why not?” Nope. It isn’t acceptable."

He didn't say that. In fact, he didn't say 'hey, why not?". This is what he said in context and edited for children like urmomz and Wombat. Who, curiously is not on this thread. I wonder why?

Anyway, context:

"Bush: It better not be the publicist. No, it’s her. It’s —"

"Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful - I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait."

"And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

Bush: Whatever you want.

"Trump: Grab them by the *****. You can do anything."

So in context, although this was locker room talk, he didn't say he would grab anyone by their private parts. He said he could because he was a star.

And he is right.

One more data point:

GROUPIES.

There are two sides to the power dynamic. Don't tell me that one side is an innocent babe in the woods and the other is devil incarnate.

Both get what they want.

Dan

Still waiting for these throngs or rich and powerful people with dozens of unfounded sexual assault allegations against them...

Perhaps they don’t exist and trump is a violent child rapist?

As for your insinuation that the allegations are politically motivated, your trump groupie Jacob Wohl already tried that trick on mueller, warren, and fauchi (of all people). Notice how quickly those politically motivated false allegations fell apart. Interesting how trumps have all held up to years and years of scrutiny.

Perhaps he’s a violent child rapist, just like the accusers and witnesses stated under oath.

Yes. I said consenting adults, not in a committed relationship.

“I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful - I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait." Nothing about permission, just assault. The ***** is a private part.

Kathleen,

“I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful - I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait."

Stop being silly. You know this is locker room talk. Is it poor taste? I wouldn't do it or say it.

Is it true that a star can do it? Yes, I believe it is true .

Dan

Funny that Trump’s “locker room talk” is EXACTLY how many of the women describe him assaulting them. What a coincidence!

Urmomz,

Unless you start answering my questions, I will no longer respond to yours.

Take it easy, dude.

Dan

Nah, I’m not wasting my time answering your questions. You’re supporting a violent child rapist. I’d rather just make it quite clear to everyone where you stand in regards to violent child rapists and how you feel about women.

“ Defendant Trump had sexual contact with me at four different parties in the summer of 1994. On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied me to a bed, exposed himself to me, and then proceeded to forcibly rape me. During the course of this savage sexual attack, I loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but he did not. Defendant Trump responded to my pleas by violently striking me in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted.

Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump's sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I would be physically harmed if not killed.“

“ In June, 1994 while performing my duties as a recruiter of adolescent women to attend Mr. Epstein's parties, I met a 13-year-old adolescent woman, the Plaintiff in this matter, at the Port Authority in New York City who said that she had come to New York City in the hope of starting a modeling career.

I persuaded the Plaintiff to attend a series of parties of Mr. Epstein that took place during the summer of 1994. I told her that, if she would join me at the parties, she would be introduced to people who could get her into the modeling profession and she would be paid for attending.

It was at these series of parties that I personally witnessed the Plaintiff being forced to perform various sexual acts with Donald J. Trump and Mr. Epstein. Both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein were advised that she was 13 years old.

I personally witnessed four sexual encounters that the Plaintiff was forced to have with Mr. Trump during this period, including the fourth of these encounters where Mr. Trump forcibly raped her despite her pleas to stop.

I personally witnessed the one occasion where Mr. Trump forced the Plaintiff and a 12-year-old female named Maria perform oral sex on Mr. Trump and witnessed his physical abuse of both minors when they finished the act.

I personally witnessed Defendant Trump telling the Plaintiff that she shouldn't ever say anything if she didn't want to disappear like the 12-year-old female Maria, and that he was capable of having her whole family killed.

I am coming forward to swear to the truthfulness of the physical and sexual abuse that I personally witnessed of minor females at the hands of Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein, including the Plaintiff, during the time of my employment from the years of 1990-2000 for Mr. Epstein. I swear to these facts under penalty of perjury even though I fully understand that the life of myself and my family is now in grave danger.“

That is what you’re defending, among dozens of other violent assaults.

Locker room talk from a man who walks in on women in the process of changing—almost literally a locker room. You want it not to be more than talk, but it clearly is.

Kathleen,

I can't keep up with your moving of the goalposts.

Get back to me when someone actually takes his butt to court and wins against him.

Until then, you're just whistling in the wind.

Dan

Hahaha, nobody moved anything. The man is despicable.

USA Today has been tracking lawsuits involving Trump: Web Link

Kathleen,

Great!

But that doesn't explain why nobody has taken him to court and actually won a case.

Why is that, I wonder?

We can wait for the Supreme Court. He lost all the way up to that point.

Katheleen,

"We can wait for the Supreme Court."

Ah...finally. All your opinions are just that, opinions.

Instead of taking the allegations and running with a guilty verdict. Why not just wait until there is a guilty verdict before you dance for joy?

I'm happy when proof beyond a reasonable doubt is given and a verdict is rendered. To spout off like you and others have done with mere accusations is kinda putting the cart before the horse.

Example:
I believe Tara Reade in her accusations against Joe Biden. I only believe them because I want Joe Biden to be crushed and he should be crushed by any means. This is the political side of me.

HOWEVER. The fair side of me says that Joe Biden is entitled to the presumption of innocence, no matter how weird and disgusting he seems. There simply is no evidence that points to this happening, though there might be documentation she filed with the Senate. Of course, that documentation will NEVER see the light of day.

The accuser was a Bernie fan and hated Trump. Why did she pick NOW to accuse Biden when, as a strong women, she could have pressed the issue when it happened?

We'll never know the answers, but at the very least it sounds political to me. Just like how you and the other HOPE that Trump is found guilty of something.

You don't like him, we get it.

Dan

You asked where Trump was losing, I pointed to his losing all the way to the Supreme Court. Clearly those losses don’t suit you. Nope. Don’t like him. Don’t like Biden either, remember? And you ignored everything being tracked thus far.

“An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate.[1] Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150.[1] Trump was named in at least 169 suits in federal court.[2] Over 150 other cases were in the Seventeenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida (covering Broward County, Florida) since 1983.[3] In about 500 cases, judges dismissed plaintiffs' claims against Trump. In hundreds more, cases ended with the available public record unclear about the resolution.[1] Where there was a clear resolution, Trump won 451 times, and lost 38.[4]”

DKHSK:

I just finished viewing the clip you posted which shows Democratic Presidential candidate Joe Biden touching, embracing, kissing young girls, pre teen, teenagers, and adults.

It was disgusting, difficult to watch it to the end. Near the end Hillary Clinton appears to attempt to disengaged Biden's embrace, he continued to hold the embrace as she moves her upper body and head away from his embrace.

Many of Joe Biden other earlier embracing and touching also showed the victims pulling away or trying t move away from Biden.

Not denying Trump behavior, documented and otherwise.

Seems, many of our elected officials, appear to be predators, that it is a necessary trait to achieve high elected office.

Among whom I place US Senator Kamala Harris in the same main stream as her colleagues.

Kathleen,

An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate..."

I cannot believe you find this significant!

He's a BILLIONAIRE with multiple business ventures. Of course he and his businesses will be involved in multiple court cases!!

Do you know realize how many times businesses are taken to court or sued and settled out of court, especially multi-nationals??!!

Your ignorance about big business is not surprising given that you've worked mainly for school districts. Companies that I have worked for have been involved in 100's if not 1000's of suits and court appearances.

Do you know how many people sue a company for unlawful termination every time there is a layoff? Or discriminations suits when someone is fired for cause?

You and others who have never worked in a corporation simply have no idea what happens!

Honestly...do yourself a favor and google corporate lawsuits of one of your favorite companies and see what happens.

Furthermore, of COURSE he would be the president that would have the most lawsuits. He's the most successful of them all.

Good God.

Dan

Ah, Dan, those assumptions catching you in your coat tails again. Worked on the corporate side longer.

Kathleen,

" Worked on the corporate side longer."

Then you should have known better, Kathleen.

Instead, you hurled the accusation as if its the first time in history some business/businessman has been sued so much.

Then you get fact checked and don't even have the decency to say that you were wrong or at least re-think your opinion.

Typical.

Dan

Michael,

I'd seen all of those clips separately and I'd thought his behavior was unusual, but after seeing them spliced together Biden seems very creepy to me. It's cringeworthy to watch people pull away, yet he keeps doing what he's doing.

I don't see how he makes it out of the convention but if he does, I hope he gets crushed and the Republicans take back the House with more Trumpian republicans. Game over.

Dan

Michael,

And his "you ain't black" comment was icing on the cake.

What a complete and utter buffoon.

Dan

“Get back to me when someone actually takes his butt to court and wins against him.”

I did. People have won. He’s lost while in office. He might lose at the Supreme Court. Nothing to rethink.

Kathleen,

You're either deliberately obtuse or just plain ignorant.

My discussion is not about wins and losses, but the overall machinations of reality in the business world. If you don't understand that, educate yourself.

Ok...Trump is arguing in the Supreme court over showing his taxes.

This is not about a criminal matter. Its about the right some people feel they have in seeing somebodies financial records. That is it.

That you think there is something there is like the continuing claim by some idiots that Trump colluded with Russia. And as recent document dumps clearly indicated, not one person from the Obama Administration, when asked by the house intelligence committee about Trump colluding with Russia, testified that they had any evidence of collusion.

Not one.

Look it up.

Trump will in the SC. Bank on it.

Dan

And btw when I said nobody had won, I meant the women that have alleged he was abusive.

Dan

There are women he has paid off—certainly not a “win”.

Russia—bird walk.

Kathleen,

"There are women he has paid off—certainly not a “win”."

Yep. Their principles of fairness and equality under the law 'appear' to be less important than getting a sizable paycheck for their allegation.

The question to you is: Do you possess the character to follow through on an accusation you've made and take it to court? Or do you just accept money, sign a confidentiality agreement and move on?

The woman in Harvey Weinstein's case was courageous. She received NOTHING, as far as I'm aware, and she was raked over the coals by our liberal press. Why? Because that creep Weinstein was a DEMOCRAT fund raiser.

Prove me wrong.

Dan

Best summary I can come up with is Trump bad, Biden less bad.

Dan, Businesses and individuals settle out of court all the time and for many reasons. To quote you: If you don't understand that, educate yourself.

Weinstein, yes, very courageous.

BobB, :o) Accurate.

Kathleen,

"Dan, Businesses and individuals settle out of court all the time and for many reasons."

LOL!

So you AGREE with me!

Why didn't you just say that after my first response?

Geez, Katheleen.

Dan

You are hell airy ous. Two reasons people settle out of court are to save the cost of litigation when you know you will lose and to avoid the press coverage if you are high profile (maybe also to hope your wife doesn’t find out). Trump has settled many times.

Kathleen,

"Businesses and individuals settle out of court all the time and for MANY REASONS."

then:

"save the cost of litigation when you know you will lose and to avoid the press coverage if you are high profile"

Your "many" turned into two. Congrats.

I have to imagine that celebrities and billionaires have constant accusations hurled at them from all sorts of individuals from business partners to the occasional person who is just looking for a pay day.

That it makes financial sense to pay someone to 'go away' instead of going through court and paying lawyers is unfortunate, but that is where we are as a society.

You still KNOW NOTHING about the accusations and to whether they are true or not.

Presumption of innocence. Embrace it.

Dan

Kathleen,

Reminder: Nobody forces a woman to accept a payoff and sign a non-disclosure agreement.

Nobody.

More power to her if she sticks to her guns and actually presses through with her allegations, again, just like the woman in Harvey Weinstein's case.

Dan

Dan, there is immeasurable pain dealt to the innocent by predators. I hope for justice for the victims in whatever manner will serve their best interests. And they get to determine what it is that gives them some measure of peace. I am certain there often is pressure on both sides of the table to settle out of court. I wouldn't say this is just about women though.

And so as entertaining as this has been, some nearly 250 comments later for this thread, I'm tapping out. We have a 2020 graduate to celebrate.