This action is to “slow” the spread of the virus, meaning it’s going to be around a lot longer now due to the enforced SIP, instead of letting it run its course like the flu and be done with it. Yes, shelter the elderly and those with compromised systems, not those of us who are healthy and need to go back to work! SIP is just as unhealthy as the virus (depression, sucides, etc.), and poverty kills too! Add in to all of this that now our healthcare workers are starting to be faced with pay cuts and layoffs... just doesn’t make sense!

County should have allowed people to apply for re-opening their businesses on a case-by-case basis. Small businesses also need to adapt. Some services can be provided online and some services can be automated. I predict this outbreak will accelerate automation within the business process. I expect we will see fully automated restaurants or even automated haircut coming soon.

Fact (not "magical thinking"):

SIP was just extended through at least the end of May.

Thinking it should not be, for whatever combination of reasons, will not change this.

Yes, this is more than inconvenient, on multiple levels, but I suggest we just try to get used to it.

This is outrageous. The lies that sheltering in place is doing good is false. It's a proven fact we, as humans, need to interact with the environment to strengthen our immune systems.
They told us they needed a few weeks to help the hospitals prepare. Well we did and now look at the mess we've created across the state and the nation. Hospitals have shut down entire floors, laid off Dr's and nurses and these idiots, that's what they are, plain and simple, think that staying home is actually helping?
Please, we need to have them listen to the real experts on the front lines of ER rooms across the country. Shutting down is and will do more harm to peoples health.
Please, don't reply with the "we're saving lives" BS fear mongering. When it's all over, statistically, this will be no different than a bad flu year. Except these idiots will have put millions out of work in California, closed forever thousands of businesses and set the entire state and country back financially for at least 10 years.

People are getting fed up with this already. Have anyone else notice how traffic is increasing, parking is getting more difficult, and more and more people are out and about? Instead of building herd immunity (which DOES exist and according to Stanford studies 1 in 3 of us already had it and did not even know) we sit here without jobs and watch the economy crumble.

Nope - done with SIP. I will not comply. Best part - the verification code I got started with the letters B S. And, that's what this whole SIP thing is. Done.

I think most logical people can see that continuing the current SIP will have significant consequences to people's overall health, prolong the disease, and wreck people's financial lives.

Hopefully, some modifications to the current SIP are made by Thursday.

NO, NOPE, NO MORE...I am done with it. Make it until Christmas if they want, but I'm out and about.

I'm just curious how all this "civil disobedience" will manifest itself if, as a practical matter, nothing is actually allowed to re-open. No one is stopping anyone simply being "out and about", at present, provided it is for a legitimate, SIP exempt purpose.

Bill B, your point is well noted and agreed.

@something to consider,

I think some people here are just venting there very legitimate frustration. Some people are really hurting and have seen their livelyhood and dreams crushed. Even so, you're right, we won't be piling in to the stadium to watch an A's game any time soon.

The W.H.O. has sent out a communication that having the antibodies (aka having had the virus) has not been proven to prevent people from getting the virus again.

More time is needed to prove it.

So doesn’t this mean that “herd immunity” is not possible at this time?

Seems another month to find out more about this NEW virus, that is significantly different than other coronaviruses or flu.

Curious about all of you that are commenting assuming you are not over 60:

Elevated BMI / overweight?
Recently pregnant?
Raised blood pressure?
High cholesterol / on meds to keep it low?
Pre diabetic / diabetic?
Asthma?
Cancer survivor?
Chemo patient?
Weakened immune system (for whatever reason)?
Arterial disease / blocked arteries?
Any kind of heart disease?
Smoke or have smoked - anything?
Vape?

Oh come on—this is enough already!!! A ton of medical staff are laid off, the news is screaming medical facilities can’t sustain the “imaginary” influx of people who are infected in Alameda county and then we get stuck hearing the lame excuse that they’re trying to slow the spread by keeping us on lockdown LONGER? It’s inevitable that everyone is going to get COVID at one point in time or another so the counties need to suck it up, put a plan in place, get people back to work and get medical centers equipped. Let us out of this SIP nonsense already before we end up reverting back to being a third-world country with homelessness and starvation running rampant and a flu that could last a LOT longer than it should. Did anyone else see what the 2017-2018 flu season looked like? If not, 80,000+ died from it and I don’t recall any “pandemic” screaming then! Ugh. I am DONE—no way am I doing this anymore!

Anne Frank....you are terrible people for putting comfort and convenience before anyone's saftey

I typed there instead of their.

Newsom won’t open up till he fulfills his agenda of bankrupting CA healthcare system so we go to Medicare for all( or none), and turns CA into his Socialist utopia where we all rely on him like a king and his peasants in bread lines. Then say bye to your pensions and Calpers next year folks....He is power crazed

@Peasant,

I guess Trump and Pence are in on the scheme too...

Peasant

What pensions ate you referring to? Since you mention Calpers you must mean government pensions.

None of the rest of us in this state have pensions.

So the government employees have made their bed and can sleep in it.

As for me, as soon as I can give up my high tech salary, I will be moving out of state and, just like other selfish people posting here,
I’ll just say tough dirt and get the hell out of this state.

Sorry to interrupt yall's hate party but.. anyone seen my keys?

You guessed wrong Bob. This is all Newson breaking California's back, with help from failed politician Tom Steyer, to fill their socialist agenda.

Newsom hid your keys so you don’t leave your house

agree with other comments. i'm not sure SIP makes sense anymore.

Web Link

It was always going to be June 1 minimally, because Newsom believed he had to treat us like children: “Let’s wait and see what the weather is like.”

A smidgen under 40 million in this state, and add to that between 3-5 million illegals, we have experienced 1,753 deaths. The hospitals don’t appear to be overwhelmed. The Governor is so far out on a limb he will never reconsider. He has to be right, because his Advisors with their Liberal Art Majors told him so.

This is sadly going to place a fork into a number of small businesses.

@Peasant,

I don't see Pence calling for everyone to end their shelters in place. In fact Trump just said Georgia was going too fast. Maybe Trump is in on the whole socialist takeover scheme too.

I wonder what Joe “the rapist” Biden thinks?

No Bob, Trump /Pence are letting Dem Governors dig their own political graves. Citizens who paid no attention for years HATE the poor job that Newsom is doing for us taxpayers. He and Steyer have NO PLAN to open up....and won’t until there is nothing left to open. The recalls are already gaining momentum of Newsom

@christopher,
There is no Stanford study that says 1 in 3 people already have had it. The serology study they did in Santa Clara county showed at most 3-4 percent( after making some questionable adjustments to the actual less than 2 percent they found). Please don’t lie about studies that don’t exist.

Wow, a whole lotta internet tough guys and gals in here. Yet, when I go to the grocery store, or take a walk, or check in on my office, the few people I see are wearing masks and giving each other wide berth.

Could it be that they are all full of it? Could the imaginary numbers they cite be figments of a diseased imagination? Something to consider.

These idiots are just the modern incarnation of the anti-maskers during the Spanish Flu. I'm going to just ignore them and I advise others to do likewise.

I believe the population in California rode the Covid 19 wave way back in December and January. My husband was in the hospital with influenza B and on top of that he had pneumonia. The hospital at the time said this was a very busy flu year with a lot of pneumonia. My kids all had it and it was spreading around everywhere. There is absolutely no reason California should have ever been closed down. We have all been good little boys and girls. Our kids want to go out and play. Enough is enough. The whole 6ft social distancing is a joke the masks are a joke too. In the beginning of this plandemic masks were not necessary. Now for some strange reason bandannas will protect? NOT! I think Californias had enough if you have a cough wear a mask if you dont live your life. The sun is good for us, being sheltered is not. People who are compromised may stay home. I know our hospital has never been maxed out or have even seen any cases. My daughter has a girlfriend that works there and they have only seen one case this entire time. I think the dems missed the boat by about 5 months. So tell us what is really going on? And open California!!!

Ian

Good comments.,,,,

Maybe it’s the mental illness brought on by isolation?

Or boredom induced hysterics?

Or we’re seeing the disadvantage of being an extrovert and they can’t stand being in the same room as themselves for an extended period of time?

I agree with many comments here that we have had enough and the lives destroyed or lost will may end up being more than those lost from the virus due to the financial and emotional toll being taken. It would be great if those who feel this way would write our Governor and at least get your voice heard.

Just curious: How many Pleasantonians have died of coronavirus thus far?

This is not about doing the right thing this is about the Democratic governors tanking the economy to hurt Trump. Watch Texas opening. If it works out this is all political.

You know, sometimes we all have to go to the bathroom. But we don’t relieve ourselves on the streets because it’s the wrong thing to do.

But, confronted with that it’s wrong to go outside and get others sick with this virus, some people go online to complain.

If you’re that serious about doing something so dangerous, I think we should all have the right to use the streets as public toilets, a less dangerous act. You’ll certainly get your immune system exposure.

Think on that.

@Sondi,
You are making things up. Stanford valleycare has had many cases of Covid, some in the icu for several weeks. I believe the numbers are being published now. Call valleycare or Stanford for current numbers but you are flat out telling lies to say they have only had one case. Can’t believe the ridiculous lies spewed on this forum.

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1) shelter in place was to spread out the timing of people getting the virus so as to not overwhelm hospitals with patients. It is not to avoid the virus spreading altogether.
2) There are less than 600 people hospitalized in the ENTIRE Bay Area. 300 of those are in Santa Clara County. Alameda County CV cases are mainly in Oakland and Hayward. Alameda County peaked at about 80 hospitalized.
3) the "authority" the public health officials are using to tell everyone to shelter in place actually apply to SICK individuals and places that are deemed to haves caused a sickness (like a building with Norovirus)

But, y'all will roll over and beg for another 30 days for a virus that 99.99997% of Californians survive

What is “dangerous”, in times like this, are largely uninformed
opinions; and “magical thinking”.

I got one even better for everyone my friend had this corona virus last june in california so let them explain this one and along with that the shutdown of fort Dietrich 's bio lab around the same time until i think it was mid june they reopened and immediately began to have knowledge of this corona virus after being shut down for like 5 months ?? WTF!!!! My friends doctor called her she has hospitalized for a week and they had no clue at the time what it was!! ALSO I FEEL WE SHOULD REMOVE THE ENTIRE GOVT AND START WITH ALL NEW PEOPLE !! AS WELL AS THEY GET NO PAY AND LETS SEE WHO WANTS TO RUN FOR OFFICE THAN!!!

Without criteria for reopening and measuring progress towards, our elected officials are failing us in the current phase of this pandemic.

first off, complaining about this current situation would not change any of the government decisions that were already made

second, the government also wants to open up the community, this closure is not doing them any good either. the economy has not been great these weeks. They are giving financial support to 90% of the U.S. taxpaying families. They have no reason to put on this lawsuit except for the simple reason, they want to end this sooner also bring the economy back.

third, even with the quarantine, the cases are going up exponentially, what would it look like if we didn't get quarantined? The best you can do it to stay at home. everyone wants to end this quickly.

please just stay at home and stay safe thank you.

@just stay at home

"first off, complaining about this current situation would not change any of the government decisions that were already made"

Decisions can always be changed. For example, Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer has rolled back some restrictions due to public pressure.

"second, the government also wants to open up the community...."

But won't because of what many people, including many on this forum, see as faulty judgement by government in balancing the economic and other damage now being done by shelter-in-place measures (including 10's of millions of lost jobs, evictions, and suicides) versus deaths directly due to coronavirus.

"third, even with the quarantine, the cases are going up exponentially, what would it look like if we didn't get quarantined?"

Doesn't look like an exponential rate of increase according to the graphs for the US shown on the "WorldoMeters" website ( Web Link ). The graphs showing the cumulative number of total cases and the cumulative number of total deaths due to coronavirus both look like they display growths which are more linear than exponential. In fact, it's rather apparent that that neither of the graphs show exponential growth because if the graphs are toggled to display their results on logarithmic scales, the data on both graphs show gradual roll-off behavior.

It seem like the goal posts keep moving. Initially the only goal was to flatten the curve. If the goal is no single death ever again - that won’t work. So what’s going to change in 2 weeks or 4 weeks or 12 weeks?

Also, I understand people genuinely wanting to ‘do good’ in their hearts, but what part of the constitution allows for this sort of lack of due process for shutting down healthy people’s freedom of movements, freedom to gather, people’s businesses, etc. just because the government said ‘we said so’? I don’t think the evolving benchmarks will stand up in court if they continue to evolve.

@Wombat,

Have you seen some of these new prevelence studies from scientists who have, shall we say, out of the mainstream opinions?

Web Link

I guess if SIP is extended as a recommendation not a mandate, then everyone should be happy?

I am waiting for a judge to come along and place a hold on Gavin’s actions. Demonstrations are growing protesting the tyranny in this state. As more states open up and show the country that the models were wrong, the hysteria was unnecessary, and more physicians (especially in this state) speak out to the lunacy going on in front of us, just maybe Gavin will stop listening to his Liberal Arts Degree advisors.

I've been saying for weeks that people will only SIP for so long and we are about at the breaking point. When enough people decide they have had enough the order will become unenforceable. According to the Alameda County COVID-19 dashboard there were only 12 new cases in the entire county yesterday. It is hard for healthy people to sit and watch their lives being ruined financially by a virus that over 99% of the people that get it will recover from. If you are of elevated risk, such as I, then you will need to make a choice of how you want to live. Personally I'll take my chances to a degree that I feel comfortable with. Like @Jake, I question the constitutionality of the order to SIP by the government. I think it will be tested in court shortly.

@CVM,

The supreme court decision allowing states to mandate vaccination was unanimous. The court opinion in that case seems to me to clearly justify stay at home orders.

Published from CDC for combined deaths influenza and pneumonia
2008-09 about 130,000 combined deaths
2009-10 about 132,000 combined deaths
2010-11 about 138,000. combined deaths
2011-12 about 126,00 combined deaths
2012-13 about 143,000 combined deaths about 11,000 per month
2013-14 about 131,000 combined deaths
2014-15 about 139,000. combined deaths
THEREFORE:
Are 10,000 people STILL DYING on TOP OF COVID19 ?

Published from CDC for combined deaths influenza and pneumonia
2008-09 about 130,000 combined deaths
2009-10 about 132,000 combined deaths
2010-11 about 138,000. combined deaths
2011-12 about 126,00 combined deaths
2012-13 about 143,000 combined deaths about 11,000 per month
2013-14 about 131,000 combined deaths
2014-15 about 139,000. combined deaths
THEREFORE:
Are about 10,000 people in the USA still dying of influenza and pneumonia on TOP OF COVID19 ?

Published from CDC for combined deaths influenza and pneumonia
2008-09 about 130,000 combined deaths
2009-10 about 132,000 combined deaths
2010-11 about 138,000. combined deaths
2011-12 about 126,00 combined deaths
2012-13 about 143,000 combined deaths about 11,000 per month
2013-14 about 131,000 combined deaths
2014-15 about 139,000. combined deaths
THEREFORE:
Are about 10,000 people in the USA still dying of influenza and pneumonia on TOP OF COVID19? If not, why are we SIP?

@BobB
I guess you're addressing your post to me, you keep putting "CVM".

I'm not a lawyer, perhaps you are, but I still think there will be a challenge in court to how much they can do. There has to be a limit. If they told you to get into a bus or truck so they could take you to the Arizona desert to a COVID-19 safe zone would you go? I know I wouldn't! How far can they go before it impinges on your freedom to be free??

@ Wondering
You're right, lots of numbers thrown around with little or no context.

BobB: actually the A's games are one of the few places you could enjoy sports - and maintain social distancing. Go A's!

Since there will be another five weeks of this emergency state, perhaps it’s time for politically neutral independent auditors to look into which state, county, and municipal employees are not really needed in this new world of social distancing we will all be living in for the foreseeable future.

I bet things will open up quickly once that audit gets under way.

@BobB said: “The supreme court decision allowing states to mandate vaccination was unanimous. The court opinion in that case seems to me to clearly justify stay at home orders.”

Those are apples and oranges BobB.

@Just Stay at Home thanks, @BobB and others of like mind.

I have stated that people will only go so far with SIP before they rebel. You seem to think that we should blindly follow Gavin. Let me ask one question; How long at you willing to obey the SIP? 3 months? 6 months? A year? Or would you just follow however long he says?

Just curious as to your devotion to the cause.

@Jake,

"the court ruled that the state can impose “reasonable regulations” to protect the public health, even when such regulations interfere with individual rights."

The question would be what is reaonable.

@CVM,

I will follow what the experts say. As they learn more about the disease they will continue to make adjustments. We may be going back into stay-at-home later this year after a limited re-opening in the summer, if we get a second wave. Or not. I follow the rules as long as they're the rules.

@Senior Citizen,

Go A's! :-)

Well "Bobby", I guess that reply was to me.

Gavin will be glad to know that your lack of freedom has no limitations. He needs as many people that think like you as he can get because he is losing the people that he is ruining financially.

At least your a sports fan!! I'm late to the party but I say GO A's also! Lets hope there is a season.

"I don't see Pence calling for everyone to end their shelters in place. In fact Trump just said Georgia was going too fast. Maybe Trump is in on the whole socialist takeover scheme too."

It is simply amazing to me that individuals have no concept of Federalism.

Trump declared a State of Emergency, which granted him near unilateral powers to "force" states to comply with whatever the federal gov deemed to be necessary.

As such, even though he had those powers, Trump DID NOT force a national mandate on the States, he only put out guidelines for which the States could follow or not. For example, the Governor of South Dakota, Kristi Noem, did not follow National recommendations to keep her citizens on lockdown.

There are those on these boards who often try to confuse the topic by making these silly accusations that Trump and Pence were acting like socialists. They weren't. They were following the AMERICAN SYSTEM OF FEDERALISM.

Learn about your Government and US history and don't listen to these revisionist fools.

Dan

"Are about 10,000 people in the USA still dying of influenza and pneumonia on TOP OF COVID19? If not, why are we SIP?"

A cynical person would answer this by saying: those States with the most draconian measures are those that have the most to lose from another four years of a Trump Presidency.

Namely, mostly if not all, Democrat-controlled States.

There will be calls for bail-outs of most of these States before the election. There will be calls to investigate the presidents response before the election.

Bank on it.

Dan

Thought experiment on our system of federalism:

If congress has been out of session for the last month or so, who is writing this new budget bill that is going to be voted on?

Anyone know the answer?


Dan

@DKHSK,

You missed my point completely. Trump and Pence put out guidelines for the states that had criteria for opening. They didn't just suggest that states open everything up immediately, like people were saying here. They were in on the shelter-in-place thing. They weren't against it. They were for it. They were promoting shelter-in-place. It couldn't be some kind of crazy plot against them if they were promoting it themselves!

"It couldn't be some kind of crazy plot against them if they were promoting it themselves!"

BobB,

I'm not totally disagreeing with you.

They erred on the side of caution. Given the political climate and persecution he has been embroiled in since his election, I can't say really blame him for the options you expressed.

AND, all this does not absolve him of his responsibility in the widespread panic that both the Federal Government, and ESPECIALLY the States Governments in the Western US and particularly California, foisted on their populations.

The wearing of masks, for instance, was JUST implemented. Should it have been implemented 6 weeks ago? Most likely, H3LL YES!

>IF< they were serious.

If this had been the emergency that they have portrayed, they would not have kept airlines, subways, trains and other types of businesses open. Period.

I don't go out when I have a common cold. Common sense and decency dictate my behavior.

There was nothing common sensical about these lockdowns. Nothing.

I've said my peace with you.

Dan