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Letter to Gina and the Dwarves

Original post made by JS Mill, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Sep 13, 2014

Mill, someone embraced by conservatives and liberals alike, argued that only speech that is demonstrably harmful to others should be censored.

All other speech should be allowed to stand. (He gives credit to a democratic citizenry to cut through the bull.) (1) The minority view might actually be right, despite what the majority says; (2) even if wrong, the minority view offers majority opportunity to reflect upon and clarify their views; (3) without minority view -- no matter how outrageous -- majority will tend to fall asleep; (4) refutation of minority view offers refuters good exercise (as well as a chance to toughen their skins). I might also add: some (aesthetic) discourse is meant to be like a pebble in one's shoe; we should value it no less than sculpture or painting. (Viva Cholo!)

One of the most famous writers of all time: Anonymous.

The only ones complaining about "trolls" are those who lack the argumentative skill to effectively counter other points of view. I don't see lefties seeking to censor anyone. (My own 'pet peeve' is the guy with cognitive difficulty who uses multiple names on the same thread in order to create impression of majority view. Since he is so transparently in trouble, it is easy enough to spot him. And, oh, by the way, he is registered under multiple names.)

Gina's problem is that there are two or three right-wing addicts whose contributions lower the quality of the topic and ensuing discourse on virtually every imaginable thread. Lacking an ability to effectively counter others' viewpoints, they resort to the tired lament about those others not using a registered name. Please. I've never seen this lament when a poster (or blogger) is winning an argument; nor have I seen it when the "troll" is in agreement with the whiner.

Gina's problem is that she mistakenly believes the whiners who lack argumentative skill represent a majority of readers. Surely they do not. But this new (as well as the old) censorship policy is only catering to the right-wing, weak-minded, complainers who, without sufficient argumentative skill, fall back on their tired lament.

Let free speech bloom!

Comments (12)

Posted by Agree 100%
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 13, 2014 at 4:41 pm

Thank you JS Mill! You splendidly wrote what most of us our currently thinking! Let this be the stand of many commenters.


Posted by Agree 100%
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 13, 2014 at 4:46 pm

I would not be surprised if this comment, or this entire thread gets deleted because of the new censorship rules... I guarantee you 99.9% that the unregistered commenters will be banned from commenting on this thread. PW-STOP TAKING OUR RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH!!! THE CONSTITUTION TRUMPS YOUR TERMS OF USE! Web Link

-This post was not meant to be at all harmful, just what I think!-


Posted by liberalism is a disease
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 13, 2014 at 7:17 pm

liberalism is a disease is a registered user.

Agree 1%, while I'm sure you're very proud of your stand to kiss up to a defender of trolls, your right to free speech in this publication ends when you propagate the tactics of the left: Name calling, deflection, nonsensical ranting and verbally assaulting your mental superiors.
I laughed out loud at the assertion by jsmill that his ilk wins most arguments with their argumentative skills. For example, 'most people in the east bay believe that global warming is settled science' because I say so, without providing irrefutable proof, or even a link to a scientific study. Or because algore told me so, as he was jetting off to another chilly location.

If it's trolls that stand up to these frauds on the left, then keep posting to offset the leftists misdirections and lies.


Posted by Formerly Dan from BC
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 13, 2014 at 8:11 pm

Formerly Dan from BC is a registered user.

"I don't see lefties seeking to censor anyone." <---this is clearly the dumbest comment made in a long time.

Just grow up! I can't stand someone who uses the word "cognitive" in nearly every post they write criticizing the site or other posters.

What an elitist fraud.


Posted by Formerly Dan from BC
a resident of Bridle Creek
on Sep 13, 2014 at 8:20 pm

Formerly Dan from BC is a registered user.

"Let free speech bloom!"

Says the person who posted a 356-word opinion on a public forum! LOL!

Do you know how "cognitively" stunted you sound? <---sorry, couldn't pass this up.


Posted by Billie
a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 13, 2014 at 8:26 pm

Billie is a registered user.

So, Disease, you believe "your right to free speech in this publication ends when you propagate the tactics of the left: Name calling, deflection, nonsensical ranting and verbally assaulting your mental superiors"?

What would you say about a poster who said on a topic about Pleasanton kids and their parents involved in our 2014 Soccer season: "what will they do, teach these 3rd world knuckle draggers common sense? Wherever they came from, apparently trash on the ground is acceptable. It is to be expected from folks who lack hand/eye coordination and think soccer is really a sport."

Oh wait, that was you!! LOL!! Since your postings often include "[n]ame calling, deflection [and],nonsensical ranting, should, by your own definition, your "right to free speech in this publication end"?

Just wondering . . .


Posted by liberalism is a disease
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 14, 2014 at 7:10 am

liberalism is a disease is a registered user.

Billie, since you apparently have been appointed the new censor, even though you aren't registered and leave a trail of your rants, which part of my quote is not accurate? Just because you disagree with the message doesn't make it untrue....never been to a soccer tournament at the Sportspark, eh?


Posted by Billie
a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 14, 2014 at 12:21 pm

Billie is a registered user.

Disease, to answer your points:
1 - You were the one who defined whose right to free speech should be cut off. I requested neither you nor anyone else be censored. I was simply making a point that you were in violation of your own proclamation of censor rules.
2 - I am registered.
3 - Which quote of yours are you referring to as being accurate? The one that defined whose right to free speech should be terminated, and/or the example I used where you included "[n]ame calling, deflection [and], nonsensical ranting"?
4 - As a grandparent of kids who were involved in Pleasanton sports for years, I attended many games and tournaments involving the *sports* of football, lacrosse and soccer. As this is not the thread for that particular topic, I will not discuss that issue further here.

Oh, and since I'm just taking a small break before this afternoon's Raider game, I will not be checking nor responding to any more posts on this Forum today.

Go Raiders!


Posted by liberalism is a disease
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 14, 2014 at 10:04 pm

liberalism is a disease is a registered user.

billie-
1. I never violated any censors rules, otherwise my post would have been removed.
2.congrats
3. the quote about the soccer mob who trash the park and our neighborhood, along with numerous vehicular violations that endanger the children on the streets of Parkside. You were no doubt not around here a few weeks ago for the college showcase tournament, where I watched a father of one soccer player park his Land Rover in the center divider between the park and the neighborhood, in between two redwood trees. These are the knuckle draggers I was referring to....I called in his license number to the cops.
4. again, congrats. You have procreated and have watched a couple of sports.

Hopefully, you took your own advice and took a break this afternoon. How did the Raiders do?


Posted by Billie
a resident of Mohr Park
on Sep 15, 2014 at 11:50 am

Billie is a registered user.

OK, Disease,
You got me! LOL!! Let me try one more time, and then I'm out of here.

You said:
"your right to free speech in this publication ends when you propagate the tactics of the left: Name calling, deflection, nonsensical ranting and verbally assaulting your mental superiors."

You said that. Not me. Not the PW. You. *Your* rule of what should be censored.

Then you said:
"I never violated any censors rules, otherwise my post would have been removed."

Obviously, you didn't violate the PW's rules - in this thread anyway. That wasn't the point.

The question was about *your* rule of censorship. It's a good thing the PW doesn't follow your rules with regard to your stated terms, otherwise you might find a good many more of your posts removed. I'm just sayin' . . .

And, hey, I for one would miss watching you try to turn every topic into a commentary on your perceptions of evil liberals. LOL!!

As for the Raiders, in the words of Charles Woodson, they were, at the very least, "disappointing". There's always next week. OK, maybe not next week against the Pats . . .


Posted by The Dogfather
a resident of another community
on Sep 15, 2014 at 11:51 am

The Dogfather is a registered user.

JSM: I think you're shooting at the wrong target: your four arguments assume that deletions and editings relate to censoring their on-point content. Overwhelmingly, they do not.

Mill might've felt differently if he'd had to deal with the absurd levels personal invective and anger that's part-and-parcel of unmanaged anonymous internet boards. Those entries add nothing to the discourse, and they drive away legitimate commentary and discussion -- defeating all of Mills' purposes. While it's true that the Mods are often the writer/dwarves, I have not noticed that there's been any shortage of civil contrary opinion left-up on these boards -- that seems to be a more theoretical danger than a real problem.

Finally, the critical difference between public/government and private sector outlets Must be noted. The 1st Amendment applies Only to governmental actions relating to speech, not to private expressions. That is so because the government has a vast potential for tyranny that is absent from the private sector. Gina has no army -- nor even any police force. If --true - content censorship, as distinct from breaking-up troll festivities, becomes a problem, people will leave this forum as a result.

Frankly, I expect the opposite result as a more reasoned board is encouraged, and the angry potshotters are dispatched to their caves.


Posted by liberalism is a disease
a resident of Birdland
on Sep 15, 2014 at 2:51 pm

liberalism is a disease is a registered user.

Billie, I miss the days of the Raiders 'commitment to excellence'. No longer, unfortunately. And no, that can't be blamed on liberals....just bad management and coaching.


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