Tensions were high during the Sunol school board meeting on Tuesday as parents, teachers and trustees alike all argued over a resolution to ban Sunol Glen School from displaying any flags that are not the U.S. or state flag.
Before voting 2-1 to adopt the contentious resolution, which many argued was targeting the LGBTQ+ pride flag, the board was interrupted by what seemed to be a shouting match between various members of the public who attended the meeting.
It even got to a point where Alameda County sheriff deputies, who were in attendance, had to get involved when Board President Ryan Jergensen told everyone to leave after calling disruptive many of the people who were shouting during and after the public comment part of the item discussion was over.
"As the chair I am trying to keep an organized meeting," Jergensen told the packed room before asking them to leave. "This is about civility and discourse. Please keep it under control. I know people are emotional -- a lot of us are and a lot of us are keeping it in control."
The Sunol school board had first heard about some concerns from a few residents during the Aug. 1 board meeting where four people spoke out against "special interest groups" possibly being allowed to fly their flags at the school.
But according to Trustee Ted Romo, who cast the lone dissenting vote Tuesday, the issue at hand really stemmed from when the school hung up a LGBTQ pride flag on the fence outside of the school back in June. He said that the flag has gone up ever since the 2021 Sunol school board passed a resolution in support of the LGBTQ+ community, including recognizing Pride Month during June.
And when someone tore down the flag, which led Superintendent Molleen Barnes to raise the flag on the pole in order to keep it safe, that's when Romo said the issues started.
According to Romo, James Lowder -- a parent of a Sunol Glen student who previously ran for a spot on the board -- had written a letter to Barnes stating that if the pride flag was being raised, why couldn't they also put up Christian flags or flags of the National Rifle Association.
"This resolution came up when a couple of community members approached the board and the superintendent requesting various different flags be flown at the school," Jergensen said.
Because Barnes did not want to make a decision on what flags to raise, Jergensen told the board to take over and after those four residents, including Lowder, spoke at the August meeting. He said the district legal team's advice was to draft the resolution.
The resolution specifically cites California Government Code that states it is "neither federal nor California law requires elementary school districts to display any other flags besides the flag of the United States of America and the flag of the State of California."
"The Sunol Glen Unified School District desires to display only those flags required by law," the resolution reads.
It also states that the school will effectively immediately "display only the flag of the United States of America and the flag of the State of California at the Sunol Glen School."
The premise behind Jergensen's decision to draft the resolution was that it seems more fair and inclusive to only display the U.S. flag and the state flag rather than picking and choosing other flags, which could lead to divisiveness.
"I believe everyone needs to be treated fairly and equally. Schools need to be a place of inclusion where all students are safe," Jergensen said. "My concern is that when a school starts endorsing any particular view, that can be divisive."
"While certain issues may not appear divisive to some, there are many deeply held views on various sides of a given issue," he added. "Whether individual personal views align with those or others, or not, the school should be inclusive of all. Individual views are irrelevant when considering inclusion of all."
But after opening up with those and other similar remarks, what followed was roughly 30 minutes of emotional teachers who loudly demanded the resolution be struck down or amended; shouting matches between residents in the room; and residents accusing fellow Sunolians of wrongfully calling them bigots.
The divide in the room was based on several public commenters who either denounced the resolution saying it was discriminatory in nature because it would not show inclusivity at the school or who supported it saying the resolution legally protects the school from lawsuits that could come from people who want to display special interest groups.
A large group of teachers and staff kicked off the public comments by reading from a letter they had sent to the board and district denouncing the resolution.
They said that by outright banning flags like the pride flag, rather than amending the resolution to allow Barnes to make executive decisions on what flags to raise, sends a negative message to families.
"We would never want our LGBTQ students, their families, or any other group for that matter, to feel like they're not wanted, supported or safe in our school," a teacher read from the letter.
"Another concern that we feel is that the board is not accurately representing the goals and ideals of swampland schools, historical inclusiveness of all students and families, as well as the current majority of the teaching staff," another one of the teachers said.
Their overall message: the resolution is and has created division within the community and is taking away from more pressing issues.
Trustee Linda Hurley and Jergensen, however, doubled down on their stance that the resolution is not targeting the LGTBQ+ community nor is it limiting the free speech of students and teachers.
Hurley added by saying that the main issue at hand was based on the possibility of being sued from someone who was not allowed to raise a flag, even though the pride flag went up.
She said that despite her experience as a teacher and nurse who has friends and family members who identify as part of the LGTBQ+ community, she had to weigh in favor of protecting the school from a hypothetical, but very costly lawsuit.
"I talked to another group of lawyers that represent schools and I am being told ... that our little school which is a one school, school district would be very vulnerable to any kind of legal action," she said. "One lawsuit could take the school down."
"I have been voted as a custodial person -- a trustee of this board -- to watch out for the children and the school. The welfare of the school," she added. "I feel it incumbent upon me, a fiduciary responsibility to watch out for the safety of the furtherance of this school."
Sunol resident Debbie Ferrari also backed up Jergensen and Hurley's positions during her public comments while claiming that she did not appreciate Romo sending mixed messages to the community and that the sense of there being discrimination in Sunol through this resolution is a fabricated lie.
She said that instead of making "incendiary and intimidating remarks about fellow citizens," and calling them and fellow board members bigots, Romo and others need to focus on taking actions to make the school more inclusive -- without raising any additional flags.
"If a non-public flag or symbol is raised it could seem to separate a certain group, it can sometimes make people feel bad or humiliated," she said. "If you're truly worried that some students feel alienated, bring them together ... do something to really help, don't just try to appear as if you're helping."
"The important point is that no one should discriminate and there's no evidence that anyone in our community has discriminated against anyone. It's a made up false premise," she added.
However, Romo reiterated the feelings of disappointment from what seemed to be the majority of the people who attended the meeting, given the loud applause that was heard in the room after people spoke against the resolution compared to the applause from the pro-resolution side.
"The district is being curbed by this widespread broad-brush resolution," Romo said during final remarks. "In effect, the resolution broadly bans free speech at Sunol Glen, including teachers and their ability to put a pride flag on their desk."
He also made several points, from the perspective of an attorney, that the district has government protected freedom of speech rights that give them the power of choosing what flags it wasn't to raise and which ones it doesn't.
"It's my legal opinion that flying the pride flag during the month of June does not create liability for the district to necessitate the passage of a resolution," Romo said.
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Amador Valley High School
on Sep 15, 2023 at 9:25 am
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on Sep 15, 2023 at 9:25 am
There's nothing inclusive about banning all flags except government-authorized ones, Jergensen. You're not fooling anyone but yourself with that weak rationalization. You don't get to claim that excluding everyone is inclusion and call it a day. Next you'll be telling us that war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength. Hope you get recalled.
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Vineyard Hills
on Sep 15, 2023 at 4:28 pm
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on Sep 15, 2023 at 4:28 pm
Moderator -- This is just a correction of the previous version where I missed some typos. I could not find an edit function. It would be great if you could replace the former version!
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This was the most well-balanced report of the meeting, but it misses a few things:
-- The audience was mostly made up of outsiders, because "somehow" outside activist groups and every TV news channel in the Bay Area was tipped off
-- Instead of waiting for a public meeting, Mr. Romo pre-emptively issued an incendiary public letter (which somehow was quickly circulated outside Sunol)
-- Parents told at least 2 other reporters that they support the Board, but want to remain anonymous. It appears that the teachers' union, and surprisingly Romo and the Superintendent, adopt the tactics of so-called Antifa by trying to silence opposing views instead of debating
-- Supt Barnes broke the law by removing the California flag to make room for the "Pride" flag. (Imagine explaining to your 5 year old the new flag, and disappearance of the state flag)
-- Romo is wrong on the law. For decades, all government bodies have been required to display flags (or other objects) of ALL interest groups, IF THEY ALLOW THE DISPLAY OF ONE. They have been sued and lost, recently confirmed by a 9-0 US Supreme Court decision
-- Jergensen, Hurley and Ferrari hit the nail on the head: It seems the opposition is interested in virtue signaling rather than problem-solving. No one cited an actual LGBT+ community student who felt discrimination or lack of support... but many were troubled by the over-the-top / knee-jerk manner in which Barnes and Romo handled the issue
....accusing your opponents of being a Bigot or Racist is about the best way to reveal that you are either ignorant or dishonest in representing your position. This is very said because Jergensen, Hurley, Barnes and parents who did speak asked for civil discussion, and being a good example to children.
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Stoneridge
on Sep 15, 2023 at 7:26 pm
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on Sep 15, 2023 at 7:26 pm
I think that the school board made the correct decision in banning all flags. The American Flag is the most inclusive a flag in the world. The liberal leaning left only cares about telling everyone what they should do and think. They want to fly the pride or BLM flags with impunity wherever and whenever, but would go ballistic if someone flew a confederate flag. They only care about their view point. People are getting tired of having the liberal agenda being shoved down their throats, but when they speak up they are called a racist.
Great job Sunol!!!
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Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 15, 2023 at 7:50 pm
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on Sep 15, 2023 at 7:50 pm
Well yea, Carl. If someone wants to fly a Confederate flag, chances are high that they are in fact a racist.
If the American flag is supposed to be a symbol of inclusiveness, then we've got a long way to go for it to mean that. Historically it's a symbol of freedom and liberty. Not much freedom and liberty going on over in Sunol though.
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Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 15, 2023 at 8:22 pm
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on Sep 15, 2023 at 8:22 pm
The American Taliban strikes again. Extreme moral cowardice on the part of the school officials involved. They should be ashamed of the rotten lesson they've taught our kids, that fear and bigotry can win out. I don't think the individuals pushing the removal of the pride flag are capable of shame.
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Stoneridge
on Sep 15, 2023 at 9:17 pm
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on Sep 15, 2023 at 9:17 pm
Longtime Resident - The point is, if you want to be inclusive and let a school fly the pride or the BLM flag then in the name of inclusiveness the guy that owns a confederate flag should have the right to fly it. Or do YOU get to pick and choose which flags are flown from the throne that you sit on? You claim the confederate flag proves you are racist, does flying the pride flag prove you are gay? Pleasanton schools are predominantly Asian/Indian, should we replace the US flag with the India national flag? I think there is a lot of freedom and liberty in this country. Look around the world and tell me where there is a society that has more freedom than us.
To be clear, I have friends that are gay and I think they should have the same rights as a straight person. I also do not own a confederate flag, born and raised in the Bay Area.
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Pleasanton Meadows
on Sep 15, 2023 at 9:38 pm
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on Sep 15, 2023 at 9:38 pm
Freedom of expression is a human right that allows people to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority.
Freedom of expression applies to ideas of all kinds, including those that may be deeply offensive. However, freedom of expression is not absolute and can be restricted under international law when it violates the rights of others or poses a threat to public order.
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Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 15, 2023 at 11:54 pm
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on Sep 15, 2023 at 11:54 pm
Carl, ah yes, the paradox of tolerance. That's the problem when you think only in terms of black and white and are unable to deal with nuance; you get stuck in the idealism rather than the pragmatic.
Is your goal to show support for people born differently from the rest of us because you're trying to make them feel included in your community or is your goal to rent out a flagpole for everyone to take turns putting up whatever they want?
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Stoneridge
on Sep 16, 2023 at 9:10 am
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on Sep 16, 2023 at 9:10 am
No need to rent a flag pole, everyone can have their own and can fly whatever they want on it. Just not at a Sunol school. Ok, I give up trying to reason with someone that believes a man dressed as a woman should use the same restroom as his daughter. After all, we want to be inclusive. Enough said.
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Pleasanton Meadows
on Sep 16, 2023 at 10:29 am
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on Sep 16, 2023 at 10:29 am
A neuroscientist explains why stupidity is an existential threat to America. Following is an opinion by Bobby Azarian.
It may sound like an insensitive statement, but the cold hard truth is that there are a lot of stupid people in the world, and their stupidity presents a constant danger to others. Some of these people are in positions of power and some of them have been elected to run our country. A far greater number of them do not have positions of power, but they still have the power to vote, and the power to spread their ideas. We may have heard of "collective intelligence," but there is also "collective stupidity," and it is a force with equal influence on the world. It would not be a stretch to say that at this point in time, stupidity presents an existential threat to America because, in some circles, it is being celebrated.
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Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Sep 16, 2023 at 8:35 pm
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on Sep 16, 2023 at 8:35 pm
Michael Austin,
Have you heard of Cipolla's five laws of stupidity yet? Below is law 3:
"A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses."
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another community
on Sep 18, 2023 at 10:47 am
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on Sep 18, 2023 at 10:47 am
I am a long time resident of Sunol, and at the risk of getting involved in another ridiculous argument with Stop and Think and all his type, his representation of the Sunol Glen Elementary School Board meeting is simply wrong, biased and one sided.
The fact of the matter isn't that anyone wanted the right to fly any other flag besides the US Flag and the California Flag on the flagpoles. People simply wanted to have the proposal written in a manner in which NOT EVER SINGLE FLAG EXCEPT THE US FLAG AND THE STATE FLAG IS BANNED FROM BEING FLOWN/HUNG UP at Sunol Glen Elem. That means, no Boy Scout, Girl Scout, 4H Flag. It means no Flags from other countries can be put up in the class room when history is being studied. By the letter of the proposal- kids cannot wear soccer jerseys with the flags of their favorite international teams. Teachers cannot hang "Welcome" flags at their doors. No flags means absolutely no flags. It was a poorly thought out proposal and the current President of the School Board had to much pride to have it re-written. Or maybe this is his intent. I might add, this is on the heels of attempted book banning AND mandatory reporting if a teacher thinks a student may be dressing as a transexual. Read that sentence again. Mandatory reporting if someone THINKS someone is different. I wonder what other regimes started this way?