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Pleasanton hair salon protests to reopen

Stylist argues against outdoor haircuts, calls regulations 'absurd'

Maven & Co. Salon in Pleasanton recently added station dividers, as well as sanitation stations, with an eye toward eventually reopening for indoor service. (Courtesy image)

Despite completing thousands of hours of training including best sanitation practices and using the latest and greatest tools for disinfection, stylist Jennifer Hatcher, who normally rents a chair at Maven & Co. on Valley Avenue in Pleasanton, told the Weekly that the state has refused to let them reopen for outdoor service, much less inside.

"The problem is with the state (cosmetology) board, they're the ones threatening fines of up to $10,000 and suspending licenses for three years" if salons flaunt any regulations, Hatcher said.

Hatcher was among a small group of hair stylists and salon owners who protested to reopen their businesses at the Alameda County Public Health Department in Oakland last week. She said she hasn't cut a single strand of hair since the countywide shelter-in-place order amid the COVID-19 crisis started on March 16, which forced the salon to temporarily shutter.

Currently, Hatcher cannot even give any dry haircuts, which she estimates "makes up less than 15% of our clientele" at the full service salon, but has still disqualified her and other stylists from receiving unemployment.

"I just want it to be very clear from a hairstylist's perspective -- we're not throwing a tantrum. We feel we can do it safely," she added. "It feels like a need, it really does, and the disparity in that opinion is part of the problem. Hair stylists in general, our industry is not looked upon with the most prestige … but we're professionals and very clean and safe. We feel strongly we can provide for our guests."

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Pleasanton has already seen popular hair styling businesses like Gary Patrick Salon draw to a close after more than 30 years in business because of the pandemic, according to a stylist who posted the news on social media this week. Opening first in Pleasanton in 1989, the salon eventually expanded to San Francisco before closing both locations and opening its current spot on Main Street in 2003, a downtown staple until the shelter order hit earlier this year.

When Maven & Co. does reopen, Hatcher wants to be able to offer clients a range of services including highlights and extensions in a proper setting instead of outdoors, as was briefly allowed in neighboring Contra Costa County until the end of June.

Maven & Co. Salon in Pleasanton has invested in sanitation equipment and enacted new health protocol with an eye toward eventually reopening for indoor service. (Courtesy image)

"A $55 haircut doesn't require getting sprayed down in a parking lot, it's not an appropriate offer," Hatcher said. "It chips away at the integrity of our professionalism and the quality of our services to where it's not feasible to offer them to our guests. It's not a fair act to ask that of them and then charge them what we need to charge them."

The state's proposed solutions for outdoor salons are also impractical, Hatcher argued, noting that conditions like the sun and wind make stylists' jobs harder. She also said the safety regulations issued "were, broadly- wear sunscreen, don’t trip on electric cords, and watch out for lightning storms. It was insulting and absurd."

"How is being outside in an uncontrolled environment more sanitary than our space," Hatcher said.

The salon has added station dividers and sanitation stations, removed its lounge area, and invested in air purifiers, blue lights and sanitizing wands -- all in the name of client health and safety. "That, to us, seems so much more sanitary than on a sidewalk in a lawn chair," she added.

Maven & Co. Salon in Pleasanton has added sanitation stations for clients recently with an eye toward eventually reopening for indoor service. (Courtesy image)

Hatcher also said the logistics of "dragging our salon chairs down an elevator every day in 100 degree heat is just nonsense; it's just silly."

An underground market for illicit haircuts has also sprung up due to the extended closures, potentially exposing both stylists and their clients to the virus, according to Hatcher, who has received multiple requests for at-home services.

"I could probably count 10 stylists off the top of my head who I know are doing house calls," she said.

Following the July 22 protest in Oakland, Hatcher said the state Board of Barbering and Cosmetology has scheduled a hearing on Aug. 3. The hearing's purpose is to receive input from stylists and salon owners about reopening, but Hatcher said local businesses need a strong advocate to help make that happen.

To that end, Hatcher and the other stylists at Maven & Co. have been trying unsuccessfully to connect with Supervisor Nate Miley and see whether he will go to bat for them.

The local economy "has remained at the forefront of my mind" since the start of sheltering in place but the county is at the state's mercy, Miley said in a statement.

"The current plight of hair salons and personal services reflects the difficult intersection between county and state regulation during this pandemic," Miley said. "While my office prioritizes this issue and has directly been in touch with Public Health multiple times for updates regarding when and how personal services will be allowed to re-open, Alameda County continues to currently be monitored by the state due to our rate of positive COVID19 cases as reported by Public Health."

Though there is no timeline "yet as to when the pause will end," Miley said he intends to "fully support reasonable and safe personal service practices" when the county is ready to move forward.

"There's a science behind what we do and how we do it," Hatcher said. "I don't think that information has been communicated clearly or has been understood (by officials). My hope is at the state board meeting, others within the county are listening so they understand."

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Pleasanton hair salon protests to reopen

Stylist argues against outdoor haircuts, calls regulations 'absurd'

by / Pleasanton Weekly

Uploaded: Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 5:07 pm
Updated: Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:36 pm

Despite completing thousands of hours of training including best sanitation practices and using the latest and greatest tools for disinfection, stylist Jennifer Hatcher, who normally rents a chair at Maven & Co. on Valley Avenue in Pleasanton, told the Weekly that the state has refused to let them reopen for outdoor service, much less inside.

"The problem is with the state (cosmetology) board, they're the ones threatening fines of up to $10,000 and suspending licenses for three years" if salons flaunt any regulations, Hatcher said.

Hatcher was among a small group of hair stylists and salon owners who protested to reopen their businesses at the Alameda County Public Health Department in Oakland last week. She said she hasn't cut a single strand of hair since the countywide shelter-in-place order amid the COVID-19 crisis started on March 16, which forced the salon to temporarily shutter.

Currently, Hatcher cannot even give any dry haircuts, which she estimates "makes up less than 15% of our clientele" at the full service salon, but has still disqualified her and other stylists from receiving unemployment.

"I just want it to be very clear from a hairstylist's perspective -- we're not throwing a tantrum. We feel we can do it safely," she added. "It feels like a need, it really does, and the disparity in that opinion is part of the problem. Hair stylists in general, our industry is not looked upon with the most prestige … but we're professionals and very clean and safe. We feel strongly we can provide for our guests."

Pleasanton has already seen popular hair styling businesses like Gary Patrick Salon draw to a close after more than 30 years in business because of the pandemic, according to a stylist who posted the news on social media this week. Opening first in Pleasanton in 1989, the salon eventually expanded to San Francisco before closing both locations and opening its current spot on Main Street in 2003, a downtown staple until the shelter order hit earlier this year.

When Maven & Co. does reopen, Hatcher wants to be able to offer clients a range of services including highlights and extensions in a proper setting instead of outdoors, as was briefly allowed in neighboring Contra Costa County until the end of June.

"A $55 haircut doesn't require getting sprayed down in a parking lot, it's not an appropriate offer," Hatcher said. "It chips away at the integrity of our professionalism and the quality of our services to where it's not feasible to offer them to our guests. It's not a fair act to ask that of them and then charge them what we need to charge them."

The state's proposed solutions for outdoor salons are also impractical, Hatcher argued, noting that conditions like the sun and wind make stylists' jobs harder. She also said the safety regulations issued "were, broadly- wear sunscreen, don’t trip on electric cords, and watch out for lightning storms. It was insulting and absurd."

"How is being outside in an uncontrolled environment more sanitary than our space," Hatcher said.

The salon has added station dividers and sanitation stations, removed its lounge area, and invested in air purifiers, blue lights and sanitizing wands -- all in the name of client health and safety. "That, to us, seems so much more sanitary than on a sidewalk in a lawn chair," she added.

Hatcher also said the logistics of "dragging our salon chairs down an elevator every day in 100 degree heat is just nonsense; it's just silly."

An underground market for illicit haircuts has also sprung up due to the extended closures, potentially exposing both stylists and their clients to the virus, according to Hatcher, who has received multiple requests for at-home services.

"I could probably count 10 stylists off the top of my head who I know are doing house calls," she said.

Following the July 22 protest in Oakland, Hatcher said the state Board of Barbering and Cosmetology has scheduled a hearing on Aug. 3. The hearing's purpose is to receive input from stylists and salon owners about reopening, but Hatcher said local businesses need a strong advocate to help make that happen.

To that end, Hatcher and the other stylists at Maven & Co. have been trying unsuccessfully to connect with Supervisor Nate Miley and see whether he will go to bat for them.

The local economy "has remained at the forefront of my mind" since the start of sheltering in place but the county is at the state's mercy, Miley said in a statement.

"The current plight of hair salons and personal services reflects the difficult intersection between county and state regulation during this pandemic," Miley said. "While my office prioritizes this issue and has directly been in touch with Public Health multiple times for updates regarding when and how personal services will be allowed to re-open, Alameda County continues to currently be monitored by the state due to our rate of positive COVID19 cases as reported by Public Health."

Though there is no timeline "yet as to when the pause will end," Miley said he intends to "fully support reasonable and safe personal service practices" when the county is ready to move forward.

"There's a science behind what we do and how we do it," Hatcher said. "I don't think that information has been communicated clearly or has been understood (by officials). My hope is at the state board meeting, others within the county are listening so they understand."

Comments

Willy
Old Towne
on Jul 31, 2020 at 9:37 am
Willy, Old Towne
on Jul 31, 2020 at 9:37 am
48 people like this

It's time to allow Barbers, Hair Salons and Nail Shops to open! These people are hurting!


Henry Bechtel
Mission Park
on Jul 31, 2020 at 12:17 pm
Henry Bechtel, Mission Park
on Jul 31, 2020 at 12:17 pm
42 people like this

Absolutely ridiculous to keep hair saloons & barber shops closed. They can address sanitation to minimize danger, at least as well as grocery stores do now.


Leza Shaw
Pleasanton Village
on Jul 31, 2020 at 1:43 pm
Leza Shaw , Pleasanton Village
on Jul 31, 2020 at 1:43 pm
32 people like this

As an ex hairdresser myself this rule for hairdressers & barbers not to open is crippling these families & businesses. Many other countries have still had them open with limited numbers & extra safety measures. It’s worked for them so why not here! Covid is killing people in more ways than one! Causing money worries, stress, leading to heart attacks, stomach ulcers & more. Let them open up. As she says..there’s people doing it behind closed doors anyway..which is less safe!


Barbara Costello
Highland Oaks
on Jul 31, 2020 at 2:39 pm
Barbara Costello, Highland Oaks
on Jul 31, 2020 at 2:39 pm
34 people like this

This is just petty stuff from the County. I guarantee you people are driving to other counties to get haircuts and treatments. You are just depriving Alameda County workers from working. The state and county government has done such a poor job responding to this pandemic. Closing all the beaches and parks when the medical experts advise that we are safer outside. Allowing some businesses to stay open but making others close. If we can shop for groceries wearing masks, we can get haircuts wearing masks. The problem is, the County workers get a full paycheck no matter how long this shutdown lasts and they want to show us how powerful they are. They aren't elected officials, so they feel very safe.


James Michael
Val Vista
on Jul 31, 2020 at 2:47 pm
James Michael, Val Vista
on Jul 31, 2020 at 2:47 pm
47 people like this

Everything needs to re-open, schools included, and before the November elections. We all know what this is all about...deny Trump a second term. Europe doesn't seem to have a problem but then they aren't in an election cycle.


Pleasanton Parent
Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 31, 2020 at 3:06 pm
Pleasanton Parent , Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 31, 2020 at 3:06 pm
24 people like this

Good for them, government needs to listen to the people.

Not fighting for handouts, fighting for the right to earn a living......never thought I’d see the day


Susan Ulatoski
Highland Oaks
on Jul 31, 2020 at 3:11 pm
Susan Ulatoski , Highland Oaks
on Jul 31, 2020 at 3:11 pm
27 people like this

This is a letter I wrote to Alameda County of Public Health Department.

Dear ACPHD,
I am a hairstylist in Alameda County. I have been off work since March 17 2020. On behalf of myself and 5000+ stylists and owners. I implore you to allow us to open our doors. Haircuts and color etc. outside is not sanitary. If there is the least bit of wind outside there would be flying hair everywhere, especially if located near a restaurant. I’m not sure the patrons would appreciate hair in their fettuccine!!!
Seriously, we have taken every measure to provide a sanitized, safe environment for our guests and fellow stylists. In fact 75% of our board testing and licensing is in sanitation and client protection. We are also overseen by the State Board of Barbering and Cosmetology. We are ESSENTIAL. JUST AS MUCH AS BOTOX AND FILLER FROM MED SPAS THAT ARE OPENED! Open up our Salons/ Barbershops PLEASE.

Thank you for listening, I look forward to your thoughts and suggestions.

Sincerely,
Susan Ulatoski


Ron R.
Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 31, 2020 at 5:41 pm
Ron R., Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 31, 2020 at 5:41 pm
31 people like this

If dentists, who literally do all their work inside one's mouth, can be open, certainly, hair salons should be open. Alameda County Public Health, LET HAIR SALONS OPEN UP!


Jake Waters
Registered user
Birdland
on Aug 4, 2020 at 11:28 am
Jake Waters, Birdland
Registered user
on Aug 4, 2020 at 11:28 am
12 people like this

At some point in time, we conservatives (silent majority) must ‘wake up’ or suffer the consequences of a stolen nation. The Democratic playbook is not some hidden agenda, philosophy, or practice that has just oozed up from the pavement. No, it’s organized, financed, and supported by the mainstream media, Hollywood, elitists, and Academia.

They have implemented their techniques from their Bible, ‘Rules For Radicles,’ by their disciple-Saul D. Alinsky, and we must hold them to one of his 12 rules: that is, mandate that they adhere to the same standards they demand of us. Essentially reverse their techniques and direct it at them. Further to the point, a strategy designed by two socialist professors back in the 60’s, was designed to ‘overload and overwhelm’ the U.S. government in order to achieve the desired goal, has also been implemented to exacerbate the situation. They used this strategy upon the welfare system during that time. Look around, what do you see? Chaos everywhere.

But a gift the Democrats received and hoped to achieve is the overwhelming cooperation of Americans to attack, ridicule, and shame their fellow citizens. We see it here in Pleasanton. Who are we forced to listen to? Gavin Newsom, Dr. Fauci, and a string of people who are not doctors, scientists or experts- which includes us, as commentators. Their is a wave of medical personnel in this country that are being remove from Google, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, because it doesn’t support the Democratic narrative. And that narrative is solely directed to remove Trump from office. Everything is about that one cause under the disguise of a virus. They could not imagine a more subdued nation. Last March seems like a dream, and we have been falling off the cliff in slow motion ever since. Gavin Newsom imbedded his intention in his first address if you were paying attention.

And now we are attempting to control each other by ‘mask shaming’ and ‘SIP’ directives. We have been fixated on percentages, numbers, graphs, and most of all- manipulated fear. Many of you spin your numbers without looking at our history of illnesses, or the reporting requirements of these cases and deaths. Did you know the hospitals receive more money if they have positive cases and deaths identified as an alleged link to Covid19?

You imagine little molecules of this virus as if it has the ability to discern problems and issues: The virus apparently knows how to transmit itself into a beauty salon, but not into Safeway, an abortion client, liquor store, weed dispensary, or Lowe’s. The virus apparently has difficulty determining distances- first it is 6 feet, now 30 feet, when will we be at 100 feet? Masks are being made by every walk of life without FDA approval, but people are buying up these pieces of ‘magic cotton’ as if there is no tomorrow. When do we start dawning goggles Dr. Fauci?

This is ‘the maddening of the crowds,’ and a lot of very smart people know it. We need to start waking up (perhaps it due to an over abundance of inhaled CO2), and start asking more questions. I applaud and support the salon owners and respect their civil disobedience. So many of the commenters here must have guaranteed incomes and pensions, and are oblivious to the destruction of our economy. Those are real people out their losing their businesses, jobs, and livelihoods. This ‘maddening’ needs to stop.


Scott
Registered user
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 4, 2020 at 1:51 pm
Scott, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
Registered user
on Aug 4, 2020 at 1:51 pm
6 people like this

Even aside from encouraging mass gathering of people for nonessential reasons, Police and politicians from New Jersey to Beverly Hills are allowing huge packed indoor parties with zero social distancing to go on and only respond when people get shot, see all the news stories last two days on the parties that saw zero police enforcement of draconian bans on social gathering. My understanding is these parties happen in alameda county all the time too.

To keep honest small businesses locked down while allowing irresponsible parties to go on is just not right.


Rob
Registered user
Grey Eagle Estates
on Aug 4, 2020 at 2:37 pm
Rob, Grey Eagle Estates
Registered user
on Aug 4, 2020 at 2:37 pm
18 people like this

First, to the point of the article I also agree we need to try to open up some business where the process can be managed by minimizing any risk. People are going to the next city over to get things done. But I'm dumbfounded that people think this Covid stuff is here only to impact someone's presidency term or is political. When you work the front line, and see and care for people that have Covid. It is REAL. It doesn't care if you're white, black, or tan. It doesn't care if you're a blue or red supporter. It doesn't care if you're young or old, or rich or poor. And it especially doesn't care who's on the election ballot. Covid does not discriminate, and for sure someone will die from it. If you don't think it's real come to my office with your family to the hospital, without a mask, and we'll show you how real it is. We're in this mess because we don't have any leadership in our country's administration telling us what needs to be done. Instead he's punting the responsibility to governors, counties, sheriffs, and they all want to do something different. It's a mess. You can't tell me we're better off today than we were years ago. I don't care what happened 2 or 8 years ago or what my stock portfolio "was", this is where we are Today. All I know is I can't wake up from this nightmare.


BobB
Registered user
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 5, 2020 at 8:39 am
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
Registered user
on Aug 5, 2020 at 8:39 am
37 people like this

These articles always bring out the crazies like Jake Waters and James Michael who want us to defy all the public health officials and go to large indoor gatherings without masks during the coronavirus outbreak, and not take flu shots or any vaccines.

Wear a mask. Get a flu shot. Vaccinate your children. Avoid large gatherings.

The sooner we can get our numbers down, the sooner these businesses can open.

And PP, regarding your question as to whether I would take a vaccine is for covid-19 as soon as it is available, I have already signed up for a trial. I may get a placebo, or I may get a vaccine. I hope it provides good data for the researchers.


Jake Waters
Registered user
Birdland
on Aug 5, 2020 at 9:00 am
Jake Waters, Birdland
Registered user
on Aug 5, 2020 at 9:00 am
9 people like this

@BobB

You always make it personal BobB. You always attack those that look at this differently. You always project onto others that of which you are guilty of. You never show compassion toward the working women and men, small business owners, and this governmental control we find ourselves under. No, you keep mumbling the same mantra over and over and over again, which makes me suspicious of your stability.

Wear a mask or don’t wear a mask, which ever makes you feel good, but hard working Americans want to get back to work and earn a living, my God I admire them. You BobB must have a guaranteed income because you could care less about this economy. The hoax (again) is up on this virus, and you are long overdue to be ignored. I will start by doing just that.


BobB
Registered user
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 5, 2020 at 10:04 am
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
Registered user
on Aug 5, 2020 at 10:04 am
28 people like this

@Jake Waters,

Anti-vaccine people like yourself who also refuse to wear a mask and won't vaccinate your children are a danger to the rest of us. It is people like you who lack compassion for small business owners because it is people like you who are spreading the virus and forcing theses shutdowns to continue.

Stay away from the fringe conspiracy theory web sites. Wear a mask. Get your flu shot. Vaccinate your children. Avoid large gatherings.


Pleasanton Parent
Registered user
Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 5, 2020 at 11:54 am
Pleasanton Parent, Pleasanton Meadows
Registered user
on Aug 5, 2020 at 11:54 am
7 people like this

BobB,
Start footing the total cost for what you're asking then you have a position to stand on. Until then.

Take personal accountability for your own health as you see necessary. Wear sunscreen. Don't fear hugs. Avoid fear mongering.


BobB
Registered user
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 5, 2020 at 8:02 pm
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
Registered user
on Aug 5, 2020 at 8:02 pm
24 people like this

@PP,

We are all responsible for not endangering the health of others people in our community. We don't let factories and power stations to operate without pollution control systems because we need to protect our entire community from health hazards. We wear masks, socially distance and so on to protect others, not just ourselves.


Jake Waters
Registered user
Birdland
on Aug 5, 2020 at 11:06 pm
Jake Waters, Birdland
Registered user
on Aug 5, 2020 at 11:06 pm
5 people like this

@ DKHSK

Well said Dan, but I have learned BobB isn’t going to shut up. BobB is a Blogging Bully, and if you read his comments on all articles you find the same rambling incoherent gibberish. He has nothing to offer substantially to the conversation, so this is what we are left with. My advice is just ignore him. It’s what they did to Alex Jones- BobB followed him.


BobB
Registered user
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2020 at 7:55 am
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
Registered user
on Aug 6, 2020 at 7:55 am
19 people like this

@Dan,

I call Jake Waters an anti-vaxxer because he didn't vaccinate his children and shares links to other anti-vaxxers and weird conspiratorial web sites. He is an anti-vaxxer.

You people are spreading dangerous garbage and misinformation. It is the anti-vaxxers who need to shut up. Real lives are at stake.


BobB
Registered user
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2020 at 8:34 am
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
Registered user
on Aug 6, 2020 at 8:34 am
23 people like this

This is a very serious disease. We need to listen to what the experts say.

Socially distance, wear masks, get a flu shot, avoid large gatherings. When we get the numbers down, we can open up businesses and schools.

People trying to downplay the seriousness of this disease are causing real harm. They have no idea what they are talking about. They need to shut up.


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Registered user
Vintage Hills
on Aug 6, 2020 at 9:05 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
Registered user
on Aug 6, 2020 at 9:05 am
9 people like this

We are nearly 5 months into this (more if you count from the first death). Things are not getting better. Drop the name calling; wear a mask where asked to. It’s easy enough to do, help’s others, and helps you.


John
Registered user
Birdland
on Aug 6, 2020 at 9:32 am
John, Birdland
Registered user
on Aug 6, 2020 at 9:32 am
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Everyone just repeats the same crap on both sides. If you have nothing new to say shut up. Please shut up, you are not going to change any minds.


BobB
Registered user
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2020 at 9:32 am
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
Registered user
on Aug 6, 2020 at 9:32 am
23 people like this

Kathleen,

Anti-vaxxers and frauds like Judy Mikovits or RFK junior need to be called out by name and the people promoting that garbage are a menace to all of us. This is serious business. Twitter, YouTube, and finally even Facebook are finally showing the courage to pull this nonsense down. Pleasanton Weekly should follow their example. This is a very serious illness. We need to wear masks, socially distance, avoid large crowds, get flu shots, and follow all the public health guidelines.


Pleasanton Parent
Registered user
Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 6, 2020 at 4:59 pm
Pleasanton Parent, Pleasanton Meadows
Registered user
on Aug 6, 2020 at 4:59 pm
6 people like this

Show me the science that supports casinos being open and schools be closed.
Show me the science that says liquor stores can be open but hair salons can't.
Show me the science that says measures in Pleasanton need to follow measures in Oakland.
Show me the science that says peoples livelihoods won't be erased by sitting in the corner doing nothing and hoping this goes away.

You can't do it BobB. This isn't science, this is mass blanketing of preventative measures that probably help decrease the probability of getting COVID that probably won't kill you, but could make you really really sick.

Is the disease real - absolutely.
Are there real consequences for at risk individuals - absolutely
Should we take precautionary measures - yes

But perhaps we should be locking down hospitals, and elderly centers, anywhere were the risk of death is severe more so than elementary schools.

Maybe we should ask Oakland why they can't get their ish together. How about we stop telling people to flatten the curve, then stop the curve, and say increases are the sky falling when we haven't provided target metrics for communities to strive to achieve?

Stop saying its "science" when you're not supporting it with studies, data, or metrics. Science is a process. There isn't necessarily an answer. Thats why businesses often ask, "is this a science project or an engineering problem". One is unknown, a process of discovery, the other is definitive.




Kathleen Ruegsegger
Registered user
Vintage Hills
on Aug 6, 2020 at 6:37 pm
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
Registered user
on Aug 6, 2020 at 6:37 pm
5 people like this

PP, I am concerned about what is open and what isn’t. But schools, even P’town, are a no. Here’s why: Web Link

It just is not time.


John
Registered user
Birdland
on Aug 6, 2020 at 7:17 pm
John, Birdland
Registered user
on Aug 6, 2020 at 7:17 pm
5 people like this

DCD say open. Fauci says open. Pediatrics Association says open. You have cases because they are being tested. Was any one tested before the shool opened. You argue for science, but when it does not fit you opinion you ignore it. Testing positive is not a death sentence or even a sickness sentence.


BobB
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Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2020 at 8:02 pm
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
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on Aug 6, 2020 at 8:02 pm
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@PP,

I don't disagree with a lot of what you said.


Nicki
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Jensen Tract
on Aug 7, 2020 at 9:36 am
Nicki, Jensen Tract
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Can't speak for all hospitals, but one that I am familiar with: Doctors say their hospital get $9 for each reported NON-covid death and $43 for each covid death. So they are ENCOURAGED to type in Covid , regardless oF the cause of death or just present at some time in patients history, even if NOT the cause of death. So much for any truth in data reporting on that!


BobB
Registered user
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 7, 2020 at 10:20 am
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
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on Aug 7, 2020 at 10:20 am
5 people like this

@Nicki,

The consensus among scientists and epidemiologists is that COVID-19 deaths are under counted, not over counted.

Web Link

Please stop spreading conspiracy theories. This is a very serious and dangerous disease. It is not a hoax. It is not fake. Doctors aren't lying.

Web Link

Web Link


DKHSK
Registered user
Bridle Creek
on Aug 7, 2020 at 10:35 am
DKHSK, Bridle Creek
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on Aug 7, 2020 at 10:35 am
2 people like this

BobB,

"We need to listen to what the experts say."

Which experts? Youmean the government health experts who's recommendations have consistently shifted?

This "experts".

All you have to do is look at Sweden for a look at how this should have been handled.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the handling of this virus is due to one thing and one thing only - the2020 election.

Prediction: COVID will die down not from any public policy, but it will be by death of media indifference after the election.

Take that to the bank.

So go ahead BobB. Continue to hide and spout your complete nonsense to the other worrywarts on this and other threads.

I, for one, am not swayed by your fear-mongering.

Dan


BobB
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Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 7, 2020 at 12:42 pm
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
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on Aug 7, 2020 at 12:42 pm
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@Dan,

Maybe sign up for one of the vaccine trials? Give blood? If you have a lot of courage and are otherwise healthy, several trials are looking for human challenge volunteers -- You'll get both a vaccine dose (or 2), and exposure to live virus. Could save a lot of lives and prevent a lot of illness.


Pleasanton Parent
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Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 7, 2020 at 2:43 pm
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Kathleen,
I respect your involvement in the educational community, and we disagree - I could understand not opening high schools. Grade schools, no way. Infection, hospitalization, and death rate don't support keeping grade schools closed.

BTW, your link isn't working (at least for me). I'm assuming its linking a report of a school that had kids test positive? Yup, it will happen. Thats why I think the hybrid option for those that are willing to go is fair, along with cleaning/ppe/screening/etc protocols. Mange below the 5% infection rate in a school and everyone wins.


Rose Marino
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on Aug 8, 2020 at 1:35 pm
Rose Marino, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
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Let me start by saying I believe in science and Dr. Fauci, and I wear a mask when I’m out. That said, it seems crazy to me that I can read a story on pages 5 and 7 of the Weekly about hair salons that CANNOT open, even when they’ve taken the steps of getting trained properly, setting their shop up with plexiglass dividers, etc., and then on page 8 read that the state’s epidemiologist is outlining a way that K-6 schools can ask for a waiver for IN-PERSON teaching, even if they’re on the state’s list of counties being watched. Excuse me? I can’t get my hair cut but you want to do inside, in person teaching for several hours a day??? How is that safe?! Come on, State Cosmetology Board and ALCO Health Dept! Let these people work!!


Jake Waters
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Birdland
on Aug 9, 2020 at 9:27 am
Jake Waters, Birdland
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I’m not a Doctor and I don’t play one in the comment section, that said, the Democrats In control of this state are behaving as the CCP. They have created ‘snitch lines’ for citizens to report other citizens to the police for what they see as COVID violations- the switch board is apparently lighting up. Can you imagine, people walk by real crimes all the time and don’t call the police. But, the only ones that are not going to be cited or arrested are those protestors up and down the state demonstrating for BLM and Illegal Aliens who want the removal of ICE. Isn’t that rich.

We keep hearing the word ‘science’ to justified the fascist orders held against us. They use ‘science’ to determine what businesses are allowed to remain open: liquor stores, weed dispensaries, abortion clinics are ‘essential’ and the virus knows it is not allowed to enter, along with grocery stores, ‘Bed, Bath, and Beyond,’ and more. Insane. But hey, that is ‘science.’ They will be teaching that in the schools after the election is over and everything opens up.

On to your God, ‘Flip-Flop Fauci,’ who now is declaring the vaccine will probably only work for 50% of those that take it. Hmmm, kind of like the flu vaccine I’ve been talking about. I’m sure a lot of you can’t wait to put something more in your body that you have no idea what is in it. Remember, the presence of the virus is going up because more people (when the lab doesn’t screw up the findings) are getting tested, but the deaths are going down.

And for all you ‘Mask Nazi’s’ that can’t wait to turn us in: Based on your science, if you are wearing your ‘Magic Cotton Mask’ then you are protected as your thinking goes. Me not wearing a basement made mask isn’t going to affect you.

If you have read, or haven’t read as of late, pick up ‘1984’ and go through it slowly.


BobB
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Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 9, 2020 at 12:43 pm
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@Jake Waters,

Seriously? You're here to discourage people from getting flu shots or wearing masks? You are discouraging people from getting covid-19 vaccinations?


BobB
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Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 9, 2020 at 12:45 pm
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
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We are all in this together. We need to wear masks, get our flu shots, socially distance, and avoid large gatherings.


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