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State guidance bans outdoor dining in Alameda County, but Tri-Valley cities proceeding as is absent new health order

County now pursuing variance to allow activities to resume

The state of California's latest COVID-19 guidance effectively prohibits outdoor dining in Alameda County, but the three Tri-Valley cities are not changing plans already set for their jurisdictions this weekend.

The Alameda County Public Health Department released a statement on Saturday morning saying they learned Friday that the updated state "industry guidance (for) restaurants" from the day before tightened restrictions on "non-variance counties" -- those that did not receive previous approval for a variance from the state health regulations, including Alameda County.

But ACPHD's statement did not come with a corresponding amended local health order, so city leaders in Pleasanton, Livermore and Dublin are proceeding with their street closures and other moves to encourage outdoor restaurant activity while interpreting the state's updated terms as guidance, not a new order.

"The county's announcement is not a new order, but rather guidance in light of the State's more specific guidance related to outdoor dining. In the absence of a new County Order, the City will proceed with the planned weekend downtown street closure," City Manager Nelson Fialho told the Weekly on Saturday morning.

Officials from Livermore and Dublin released similar statements on Saturday that also promised their cities would not be making any changes to enforcement this weekend. Dublin offered a word of caution, as well, to restaurants that plan to operate with outdoor seated service.

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"The State has developed Strike Teams that may or may not conduct enforcement this weekend in the County, so restaurants should understand this information if they hold (Alcohol Beverage Control) licenses," Dublin officials said.

All three cities said they hope to receive clarity from the county next week about these new developments from the state. ACPHD officials said they plan to apply for a formal variance in the days ahead.

As for what the situation means in practice starting this weekend, ACPHD spokesperson Neetu Balram said, "We shared the information we have about the state's updated guidance in the statement. We can't speak to enforcement because that rests with the state."

County statement

Alameda County -- which continues to lead the Bay Area in COVID-19 positive tests -- had allowed outdoor dining to resume on June 19 amid the coronavirus crisis, But an uptick in cases and hospitalizations caused officials to hit the pause button on future reopening steps on June 29, including a delay in formally applying for a state variance.

As a result, Alameda County is considered a "non-variance county" subject to state COVID-19 regulations, including the updated state guidance issued Thursday, ACPHD officials said Saturday. That includes all cities within the county, including Pleasanton, Livermore and Dublin.

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"While Alameda County’s Health Officer Order allowed for outdoor dining, under this stricter State guidance, all restaurants, wineries and bars in Alameda County may only be open for drive-thru or pickup/delivery options," officials said, adding:

"Our decision to permit outdoor dining was based on the Health Officer’s assessment that outdoor activities, with appropriate protective measures, carry less risk than indoor activities. At the time, many other counties had applied for a variance alongside or shortly after opening outdoor dining without consequences, and Alameda County took that same approach.

"At that time the State did not differentiate dining guidance by indoor/outdoor as it now does. With the new guidance dated yesterday and enforcement actions observed last week in Santa Clara County, the State is demonstrating a new approach."

ACPHD representatives did not elaborate on why they did not pursue an official variance from the state in mid-to-late June as the department was issuing its amended shelter-in-place order.

The department did experience a leadership change in that time, with former interim health officer Dr. Erica Pan stepping down on June 29 to accept a position with the state government and her deputy, Dr. Nicholas Moss, being appointed as Alameda County's new interim health officer.

The county's June 19 health order -- which is still the order on the books, as of Saturday -- allowed outdoor dining at restaurants to resume, along with indoor and outdoor retail, religious services, outdoor fitness classes and outdoor museums.

The updated state guidance from Thursday applies only to restaurant activities.

ACPHD officials said they are now moving forward with obtaining a variance from the state and a letter of support will be on the agenda for the Board of Supervisors' regular meeting on Tuesday.

"While the data have not become more favorable, applying for a variance is a procedural action that would provide us with the flexibility to ensure that we can continue to allow the activities that the Health Officer determines are lower risk for our community," they said. "Approval of a variance is not an indication that we will pursue additional re-openings of other industries or sectors at this time."

As of Saturday morning's data, Alameda County continues to lead all Bay Area counties with 7,725 confirmed cases of COVID-19. The county reports 148 deaths on record caused by the virus.

Communities with high positive counts include Oakland (3,001) and Hayward (1,191), with Fremont (409) and San Leandro (384) on the next tier.

The Tri-Valley cities have been on the lower end in comparison but their positive tallies have increased over recent weeks. Livermore now stands at 271 confirmed cases, Pleasanton with 148 and Dublin with 77.

It is unclear how many of the county's 148 deaths from COVID-19 have occurred in the Tri-Valley, but one confirmed death involved a resident of the Livermore Community Living Center, a residential facility for military veterans.

Tri-Valley responses

For the three Tri-Valley cities, the difference between state guidance and a new health order remains a key distinction -- and the driving force behind their decision to keep street closures and other temporary zoning changes for outdoor business activity intact this weekend.

"While the (county) press release has new information, neither the County nor the State of California has issued new legal Orders," said Tamera LeBeau, public information officer for the city of Livermore.

"Therefore, City of Livermore will not be adjusting enforcement this weekend and First Street will remain closed throughout the weekend. Downtown businesses will be notified should the situation change," LeBeau said.

"The City of Dublin is aware of the discrepancy around the State and local order when it comes to outdoor dining. The City will not be conducting any local enforcement this weekend and will assess the discrepancy and seek clarity early next week on how to proceed," officials from Dublin said.

In Pleasanton's case, Fialho said the weekend-long closure of Main Street to vehicular traffic, allowing restaurant and retail businesses to expand into the roadway and conduct business in line with the county's June 19 order, was still in effect Saturday.

"The City of Pleasanton would like to remind residents to continue to wear face coverings when out in public and maintain social distance from others not in the same household -- it is critical that the public adhere to this requirement while out in public, including when visiting Main Street for outdoor dining," he said.

"First thing next week, we will work with the county and state to clarify if either is going to issue a new or revised Health Order as it relates to outdoor dining. At which time, the City will work to make necessary modifications," Fialho said.

LeBeau added, "The County has an item on the Board of Supervisors agenda on Tuesday to apply for Variance status with the State and that application could resolve this issue."

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State guidance bans outdoor dining in Alameda County, but Tri-Valley cities proceeding as is absent new health order

County now pursuing variance to allow activities to resume

by / Pleasanton Weekly

Uploaded: Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 9:29 am
Updated: Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 1:28 pm

The state of California's latest COVID-19 guidance effectively prohibits outdoor dining in Alameda County, but the three Tri-Valley cities are not changing plans already set for their jurisdictions this weekend.

The Alameda County Public Health Department released a statement on Saturday morning saying they learned Friday that the updated state "industry guidance (for) restaurants" from the day before tightened restrictions on "non-variance counties" -- those that did not receive previous approval for a variance from the state health regulations, including Alameda County.

But ACPHD's statement did not come with a corresponding amended local health order, so city leaders in Pleasanton, Livermore and Dublin are proceeding with their street closures and other moves to encourage outdoor restaurant activity while interpreting the state's updated terms as guidance, not a new order.

"The county's announcement is not a new order, but rather guidance in light of the State's more specific guidance related to outdoor dining. In the absence of a new County Order, the City will proceed with the planned weekend downtown street closure," City Manager Nelson Fialho told the Weekly on Saturday morning.

Officials from Livermore and Dublin released similar statements on Saturday that also promised their cities would not be making any changes to enforcement this weekend. Dublin offered a word of caution, as well, to restaurants that plan to operate with outdoor seated service.

"The State has developed Strike Teams that may or may not conduct enforcement this weekend in the County, so restaurants should understand this information if they hold (Alcohol Beverage Control) licenses," Dublin officials said.

All three cities said they hope to receive clarity from the county next week about these new developments from the state. ACPHD officials said they plan to apply for a formal variance in the days ahead.

As for what the situation means in practice starting this weekend, ACPHD spokesperson Neetu Balram said, "We shared the information we have about the state's updated guidance in the statement. We can't speak to enforcement because that rests with the state."

Alameda County -- which continues to lead the Bay Area in COVID-19 positive tests -- had allowed outdoor dining to resume on June 19 amid the coronavirus crisis, But an uptick in cases and hospitalizations caused officials to hit the pause button on future reopening steps on June 29, including a delay in formally applying for a state variance.

As a result, Alameda County is considered a "non-variance county" subject to state COVID-19 regulations, including the updated state guidance issued Thursday, ACPHD officials said Saturday. That includes all cities within the county, including Pleasanton, Livermore and Dublin.

"While Alameda County’s Health Officer Order allowed for outdoor dining, under this stricter State guidance, all restaurants, wineries and bars in Alameda County may only be open for drive-thru or pickup/delivery options," officials said, adding:

"Our decision to permit outdoor dining was based on the Health Officer’s assessment that outdoor activities, with appropriate protective measures, carry less risk than indoor activities. At the time, many other counties had applied for a variance alongside or shortly after opening outdoor dining without consequences, and Alameda County took that same approach.

"At that time the State did not differentiate dining guidance by indoor/outdoor as it now does. With the new guidance dated yesterday and enforcement actions observed last week in Santa Clara County, the State is demonstrating a new approach."

ACPHD representatives did not elaborate on why they did not pursue an official variance from the state in mid-to-late June as the department was issuing its amended shelter-in-place order.

The department did experience a leadership change in that time, with former interim health officer Dr. Erica Pan stepping down on June 29 to accept a position with the state government and her deputy, Dr. Nicholas Moss, being appointed as Alameda County's new interim health officer.

The county's June 19 health order -- which is still the order on the books, as of Saturday -- allowed outdoor dining at restaurants to resume, along with indoor and outdoor retail, religious services, outdoor fitness classes and outdoor museums.

The updated state guidance from Thursday applies only to restaurant activities.

ACPHD officials said they are now moving forward with obtaining a variance from the state and a letter of support will be on the agenda for the Board of Supervisors' regular meeting on Tuesday.

"While the data have not become more favorable, applying for a variance is a procedural action that would provide us with the flexibility to ensure that we can continue to allow the activities that the Health Officer determines are lower risk for our community," they said. "Approval of a variance is not an indication that we will pursue additional re-openings of other industries or sectors at this time."

As of Saturday morning's data, Alameda County continues to lead all Bay Area counties with 7,725 confirmed cases of COVID-19. The county reports 148 deaths on record caused by the virus.

Communities with high positive counts include Oakland (3,001) and Hayward (1,191), with Fremont (409) and San Leandro (384) on the next tier.

The Tri-Valley cities have been on the lower end in comparison but their positive tallies have increased over recent weeks. Livermore now stands at 271 confirmed cases, Pleasanton with 148 and Dublin with 77.

It is unclear how many of the county's 148 deaths from COVID-19 have occurred in the Tri-Valley, but one confirmed death involved a resident of the Livermore Community Living Center, a residential facility for military veterans.

For the three Tri-Valley cities, the difference between state guidance and a new health order remains a key distinction -- and the driving force behind their decision to keep street closures and other temporary zoning changes for outdoor business activity intact this weekend.

"While the (county) press release has new information, neither the County nor the State of California has issued new legal Orders," said Tamera LeBeau, public information officer for the city of Livermore.

"Therefore, City of Livermore will not be adjusting enforcement this weekend and First Street will remain closed throughout the weekend. Downtown businesses will be notified should the situation change," LeBeau said.

"The City of Dublin is aware of the discrepancy around the State and local order when it comes to outdoor dining. The City will not be conducting any local enforcement this weekend and will assess the discrepancy and seek clarity early next week on how to proceed," officials from Dublin said.

In Pleasanton's case, Fialho said the weekend-long closure of Main Street to vehicular traffic, allowing restaurant and retail businesses to expand into the roadway and conduct business in line with the county's June 19 order, was still in effect Saturday.

"The City of Pleasanton would like to remind residents to continue to wear face coverings when out in public and maintain social distance from others not in the same household -- it is critical that the public adhere to this requirement while out in public, including when visiting Main Street for outdoor dining," he said.

"First thing next week, we will work with the county and state to clarify if either is going to issue a new or revised Health Order as it relates to outdoor dining. At which time, the City will work to make necessary modifications," Fialho said.

LeBeau added, "The County has an item on the Board of Supervisors agenda on Tuesday to apply for Variance status with the State and that application could resolve this issue."

Comments

Air
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 11, 2020 at 5:08 pm
Air, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 11, 2020 at 5:08 pm
21 people like this

None of this guidance is Law. Stay open of course. Those who dont want to eat outside in the fresh air dont have to...but a lot of residents want to...and would rather give our revenue to a Pleasanton restaurant than Danville.


Allen W.
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 11, 2020 at 5:47 pm
Allen W., Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 11, 2020 at 5:47 pm
10 people like this

So once again Tri-Valley city officials put money and political standing before public safety. Whether in violation or not, you're ignoring the reason for the rollback. Shame on you.


Jake Waters
Birdland
on Jul 11, 2020 at 9:26 pm
Jake Waters, Birdland
on Jul 11, 2020 at 9:26 pm
16 people like this

Good for our leaders in the Tri-Valley Area, and I agree with @Air: If you want to stay in the basement then you should. Don’t venture out into the open air that is good for you.

A side note: Gavin Nausea spent $1 billion of our tax dollars to a defunct automaker in China for masks. Where are they? Secondly, why does Gavin tell us to wear masks, but doesn’t provide us proper masks and instead allows us to use paper masks good for an hour or so, cloth masks made in the basement of who knows who, or the Lone Ranger bank robbery masks- all of which do not provide the protection the experts say we need.

It is all so dumbed down.


Pro-Law
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 11, 2020 at 11:45 pm
Pro-Law, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 11, 2020 at 11:45 pm
8 people like this

It’s amazing how the goal posts continue to change on this. At first it was just to slow the virus for a couple weeks or so, so hospitals could get enough equipment. What is the goal now - complete eradication?

It should be freedom of choice - if a business wants to require customers to wear a mask or not then the public can decide if they want to shop there or not. Individuals should be allowed
to decide what risk they are willing to do. For example, if you work at an entity that is going to reopen and not require masks then you can decide to also not work for them.


Grumpy
Vineyard Avenue
on Jul 12, 2020 at 6:54 am
Grumpy, Vineyard Avenue
on Jul 12, 2020 at 6:54 am
17 people like this

Why do you always need reminding that masks are for the safety of others, not yourself?

We don’t allow drunk driving because it saves other people’s lives. We don’t say that you can drink whatever you want because you can determine the risk you’re willing to take, and if other people don’t like it they should stay off the road.

Masks save other people. Try to remember that.


Grumpy
Vineyard Avenue
on Jul 12, 2020 at 6:58 am
Grumpy, Vineyard Avenue
on Jul 12, 2020 at 6:58 am
1 person likes this

That being said, I do think the cities were right for staying open. Masks are still required to get to the table and for workers, and sitting outside and eating has not been shown to be the cause of the major upticks seen in many places. That seems to be caused by private large parties and people not wearing masks when close to strangers. People within your bubble are still safe enough, and outdoor dining doesn’t make that particularly worse.


Pro-Law
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:40 am
Pro-Law, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:40 am
7 people like this

Grumpy,

Because where does the government restrictions stop on this issue? One of my main problem is the goal posts keeping moving. Do you have an idea what the actual goal is? It seems like once we meet a goal we get baited and switched. If you go back through the articles about every 2-3 weeks the goals change
goals.

My opinion is more government restrictions aren’t the answer and if a business allows people to not wear masks then people will likely not go. Why can’t that be enough?

What do you suggest we do with people who don’t wear masks? Arrest them while we let convicted felons loose?


BobB
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 9:22 am
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 9:22 am
10 people like this

Wear a mask.

Other countries took this virus seriously. The US screwed up royally. Now we're paying the price. Ignore the fools who keep downplaying this. What a horrible screw up. How many people have to die? Fools.


BobB
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 9:27 am
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 9:27 am
9 people like this

Hey "Pro-Law",

How about a goal of doing half as well as countries like Taiwan or South Korea? That would be a start. But we would still have to deal with a number of ignoramuses who can't be bothered to wear a mask. Ignorant fools.


Pro-law
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 10:03 am
Pro-law, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 10:03 am
4 people like this

Bob,

Then what’s the measurable goal? No one seems to be able to articulate it. Zero deaths ever ?


Jake Waters
Birdland
on Jul 12, 2020 at 10:27 am
Jake Waters, Birdland
on Jul 12, 2020 at 10:27 am
9 people like this

To be honest @Pro-Law, @BobB doesn’t have any other point except to utter “wear a mask.” And as I said before, if Gavin’s point is to wear a mask then why hasn’t he outfitted his citizens with proper, safe masks? We are left to dark alleys and dirt roads to pay for effectual equipment.

“You really have to have a few liberal friends or neighbors to truly understand why you are a conservative. Nothing drives the point more.”

Last point: what hospitals are overrun? Why is the death toll going down? Why is Gavin silent about all the bankruptcy’s? Why are officials struggling to fear monger (getting caught lying about the data and events) if they have actual science and examples to point to? We should ask more questions instead of nodding as bovines.


BobB
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 11:00 am
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 11:00 am
9 people like this

@Pro-Law,

Trump's goals were all over the map. New Zealand and Taiwan articulated very clear goals from the start. Like I said, we screwed up royally. We've got to pick up the pieces of this mess. Follow the CDC guidelines and do our best. The United States really embarrassed itself in this one. And it's cost many many lives, and many many people were sickened. A lot of people lost their jobs and businesses and weren't properly compensated. And now the economy is in a dangerous place as well.


Pro-law
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 4:26 pm
Pro-law, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 4:26 pm
3 people like this

Bob,

My question remains: Then what’s the measurable goal?

I’m not trying to be political whatsoever when I ask. I don’t care what Newsom or Trump have to say in this forum.

What do you personally think the goal should be in order to be 100% back to normal (or even close to it)? We have to be able to have actual measurable goals ... isn’t that reasonable?


BobB
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 6:15 pm
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 6:15 pm
5 people like this

You're asking me to set public policy goals? I'm in no position to do that. But I do know a screw up when I see it, and that is us. If you want to chime in on what targets, milestones, timelines, and strategies make sense in the US given the disastrous situation we find ourselves in, please feel free. It's going to be tough going for a while.


Babs
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 7:42 pm
Babs, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 7:42 pm
9 people like this

Hey Bob, You have every right to try to convince your local comrades that socialism is good for them, but most of us understand history and know socialism is a failed policy that HARMS people. Obama had a big problem with both H1N1 and swine flu, but the media ignored it, so most of the US was in the dark about what they had...just thought it was a bad flu. People I know in the Bay Area have scared lungs from it, lots died, but we didn’t shut the state down because it would have reflected bad on Obama who wanted to sweep it under the rug since it came TO CA from another Country and it would interfere with his massive immigration push he needed for votes for more failed policies of DEPENDENCE. If Basement Biden wins expect way MORE illness with way LESS media coverage.


Pleasanton Parent
Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:21 pm
Pleasanton Parent, Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:21 pm
3 people like this

Newsoms winery is probably still open though right?

I agree we have no end state to target. And that is wrong.

The closest I’ve read to anything is a declining trend sustained for two weeks, but that isn’t a baseline target, it’s a trend.

Our leaders are cowards, too afraid to have difficult discussions around what a “reasonable “ infection, hospitalization, and death rate are. And it’s not an easy discussion, but a necessary one. This isn’t going away.

I love the US to small island comparisons.....completely transferable....get out of here with that.


Pro-Law
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:39 pm
Pro-Law, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:39 pm
3 people like this

Bob,

I touched on my thinking earlier, but as long as the death rate doesn’t go up I personally think it if people/businesses want to take further precautions then people/businesses should be able to individually make that decision. I imagine a good amount of businesses would require masks and have plexi glass.

My concern is the solutions I hear (essentially shutting down the economy) will be worse in the long run than the virus itself. If the economy is continually quasi shutdown it will turn this country into a form of either Communism, Socialism, or Marxism. I don’t see how we will get around that if the economy is quasi shutdown past this year.

It is disappointing when I ask what you think the goals should be and you say you don’t set public policy and that you just want it to be better. It sounds like you have already fallen for the utopia of a ‘perfect’ society in which the government controls everything and you have no say.


BobB
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:49 pm
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:49 pm
9 people like this

PP,

South Korea ain't an island and neither is Holland. They both killed it compared to us. So did Germany for that matter. Our response sucked. We need to learn from all the countries that handled it better. Like most of Asia. We can start by mandatory mask wearing. People are starting to get it. It is still a hot mess! What an embarrassing example the US has set for the world.


BobB
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:52 pm
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 12, 2020 at 8:52 pm
8 people like this

pro-law,

All I'm saying is emulate the ones who did it right. and they were lighter on the personal freedoms and heavier on the mandates and compliance. That's what worked.


Pleasanton Parent
Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 12, 2020 at 10:23 pm
Pleasanton Parent , Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 12, 2020 at 10:23 pm
2 people like this

BobB,
You’re the one that said Taiwan and New Zealand BobB.

And how can you say they did it better when you can’t point to what “good “ looks like here?


Just asking
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 5:58 am
Just asking , Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 5:58 am
1 person likes this

Bob b
I dont think you were asked to set public policy, just your opinion.
What's the goal. What in your opinion would be adequate numbers to reopen the economy fully. Surely you have a opinion on that. You don't everything else. If you dont have an answer be honest and say I dont know.
Fyi. I dont want you setting public policy either I have read your posts.
YLDM


jo
Parkside
on Jul 13, 2020 at 7:09 am
jo, Parkside
on Jul 13, 2020 at 7:09 am
1 person likes this

and lets not forgot why the media downplays data from england, even the BBC downplays it.

Web Link

why does the liberals want gov't healthcare like england.


BobB
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 8:59 am
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 8:59 am
10 people like this

Hey PP,

Look at all the other countries I mentioned. They're pretty much killing it compared to the incompetent fools in America. Even Canada is doing better. It is good that the EU bans Americans from visiting.


Outdoor dining question
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 9:51 am
Outdoor dining question, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 9:51 am
13 people like this

Why is sitting 6 feet away from another table eating and talking without a mask considered 'safe?' I don't understand why outdoor dining is considered 'safe' when you are supposed to don a mask when walking outside in case you pass someone on the sidewalk.

With the spiking of deaths and new cases, I think it would be more common sense to roll back these re-openings.


Free4now
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 11:08 am
Free4now, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 11:08 am
3 people like this

@ outdoor dining question, Or you could just stay home and let others eat in peace where they choose. Stop trying to take away everybody else's option to choose how and where they want to eat. Its begining to feel like a communist country here in Alameda County.


Henry
Pleasanton Valley
on Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 pm
Henry, Pleasanton Valley
on Jul 13, 2020 at 4:58 pm
3 people like this

This is not an anti-outside dining comment, but just an observation that downtown Pleasanton on weekend nights appears very much like crowded Florida or South Padre Island beaches, with the only difference that the participants here are generally much older. I'm assuming those dining outside downtown don't mind the risk of severe blood clotting damaging their health for the rest of their lives.


Pleasanton Parent
Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 13, 2020 at 6:23 pm
Pleasanton Parent, Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 13, 2020 at 6:23 pm
1 person likes this

BobB ,
Again zero solutions from you. Just deflections. Cant , can’t , cant.


BobB
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 8:27 pm
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 8:27 pm
3 people like this

PP,

I already suggested one solution which was banning Americans from visiting Europe or Canada. That will at least help keep the American lunatics from spreading it.

I've already pointed out that the right way to approach this was much more severe lockdowns with personal tracking devices and very thorough contact tracing combined with lots of testing. Also strict mask mandates. The countries that did this did the best. There are other approaches that work pretty well. The United States of America's approach sucked!


Pleasanton Parent
Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 13, 2020 at 9:54 pm
Pleasanton Parent, Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 13, 2020 at 9:54 pm
2 people like this

To what end BobB? Again you’re part of the problem, those of us wanting to move fwd are looking for solutions.


BobB
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:01 pm
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:01 pm
3 people like this

Getting the case/hospitalization numbers low enough so that we can follow phased opening guidelines.


BobB
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:06 pm
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:06 pm
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Would have been best to get case numbers so low that we could track any outbreak and stop it like other countries have done.


BobB
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:06 pm
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:06 pm
3 people like this

But we screwed up royally. America is the embarrassment of the world. What a shame.


Pleasanton Parent
Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:11 pm
Pleasanton Parent, Pleasanton Meadows
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:11 pm
2 people like this

“Low enough” - what number BobB?

Can’t aim for a non existent target.

You want people to comply, give them a goal, not an ambiguous nothing


BobB
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:34 pm
BobB, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jul 13, 2020 at 10:34 pm
2 people like this

I'm not asking for that, the government put out guidelines for reopening. It would be a good idea to follow those guidelines.

There were specific targets in those guidelines. Go look them up. Don't be lazy. And remember to always wear a mask. It's not an option.


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