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Tri-Valley policing practices put under the microscope

National discussion on police reform prompts changes at local level

The killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis last month has initiated vigorous nationwide discussion recently about racial injustice and police brutality, and presented new challenges and opportunities for local law enforcement to address in their communities.

Tri-Valley police departments in Pleasanton, Livermore, Dublin, Danville and San Ramon have roundly denounced Floyd's death as an example of using excessive force and bad policing. Through enacted state legislation over the past several years and public outcry over a number of highly publicized deaths involving police using excessive force, local agencies said they have focused on minimizing fatal incidents with additional training and revising or adopting policies on use of force and de-escalation to avoid injuries and fatalities.

"We can never be satisfied with the status quo, and now, more than ever, we need to dedicate ourselves to continuous improvement," San Ramon Police Craig Stevens said in a statement that acknowledged growing public sentiment for regular officer evaluations and reviews of department training and procedures.

Sgt. Steve Goard of the Livermore Police Department told the Weekly, "I haven't spoken to a single officer who thinks what happened in Minneapolis isn't short of disgusting. We think that's disgusting and should never have happened. It's a very popular phrase but it's so true: 'One thing a good cop hates most is a bad cop'. We don't want those people in our profession, and we can identify and get them out, and I think that's something our agency's really good at."

Many of the criteria outlined by the newly launched "8 Can't Wait" campaign -- which advocates for the national adoption of eight policies that are shown to reduce killings by police and save lives, like requiring officers to report any misconduct and banning chokeholds and strangleholds -- are already protocol or being considered by the agencies that were interviewed. According to Goard, Livermore has actively worked to implement newer policing practices since former President Barack Obama formed the Task Force on 21st Century Policing.

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"We put into effect a lot of stuff from President Obama's recommendations," Goard said, adding the public feedback was "instant" and highly positive.

In the case of the Danville Police Department, which is governed by the Contra Costa County Sheriff's Office, Police Chief Allan Shields said there's "a delay in policy" and that policy corrections are not only recommended "all the time" but actually put California ahead of the rest of the country in requiring officers to use all options before shooting.

"The interesting thing about 8 Can't Wait is that's a conversation we were having several years ago. The level of training we're giving our officers far exceeds what 8 Can't Wait is asking," Shields said, adding that states laws like Assembly Bill 392 and Senate Bill 230 -- which cover the used force continuum and require officers to exhaust all means before shooting -- have laid the groundwork for further development.

During a webinar on policing last week, Dublin Police Chief Garrett Holmes said it's "difficult to talk about national law enforcement" because of the many layers that exist from local policing to state and federal law enforcement.

"For us in California, here, we're very fortunate that usually we're on the forefront of any sort of reforms in law enforcement and sometimes it takes longer for other parts of the country to catch up with us," Holmes said.

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Though different than the video-recorded actions of the former officer who knelt on Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes before Floyd died, widespread protests have led a number of law enforcement agencies throughout the state to recently end the use of carotid restraints, also called sleeper holds, which restrict blood flow by adding pressure to the sides of a person's neck.

All of the Tri-Valley agencies have done the same as well, prohibiting its use along with strangleholds and chokeholds, which were already banned in Livermore.

"Our policy has always been no chokeholds and strangleholds. We allowed carotid restraint and the reason is there's a difference," Goard said. "With a stranglehold, you're stopping someone from breathing but a carotid hold slows the blood flow to the brain, which allows the person to faint and gives the officer five to ten seconds to act. We had that in our use-of-force policy but could only use it under the most extreme and dire circumstances."

Livermore banned the use of carotid restraints on June 5 in response to public backlash, though Goard said the move already made sense. "It's such a rare application of force, at least for our agency, that as we got together, we just agreed it's completely understandable, and so we immediately made that change."

Pleasanton Police Chief David Swing told the Weekly that his department also "made the decision to temporarily suspend the use of carotid restraints" while they seek more feedback on the matter.

"As we have our community conversation and understand and listen first to our community ... we will also take a closer look at whether it's policies, training, whatever is appropriate," Swing said. "Use of force by our officers occurs in 0.06% of all our contacts; the carotid restraint is much less frequent than that."

Less than a month on the job in Pleasanton after making the move north from the Morgan Hill Police Department, where he was also chief, Swing said Pleasanton officers are also trained in several different force options that are available "when needed to ensure community safety or the officer's safety."

The Pleasanton City Council majority last Tuesday directed city staff to bring forward a draft action plan that will outline the process for future community conversations and public consideration of issues related to policing policies and practices in Pleasanton. They expect to hold a council meeting next month to discuss the future draft action plan only, with a community listening session before the council to follow soon thereafter.

"I think it's important that our community knows that we truly hear and see our community on this important topic," Swing said. "We are committed to engaging in constructive dialogue, we know that is paramount. As we begin this conversation, it is my hope that this further strengthens community partnerships and this is the start of a new engagement process that allows us to receive continuous feedback from the community."

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Tri-Valley policing practices put under the microscope

National discussion on police reform prompts changes at local level

by / Pleasanton Weekly

Uploaded: Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 10:37 pm

The killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis last month has initiated vigorous nationwide discussion recently about racial injustice and police brutality, and presented new challenges and opportunities for local law enforcement to address in their communities.

Tri-Valley police departments in Pleasanton, Livermore, Dublin, Danville and San Ramon have roundly denounced Floyd's death as an example of using excessive force and bad policing. Through enacted state legislation over the past several years and public outcry over a number of highly publicized deaths involving police using excessive force, local agencies said they have focused on minimizing fatal incidents with additional training and revising or adopting policies on use of force and de-escalation to avoid injuries and fatalities.

"We can never be satisfied with the status quo, and now, more than ever, we need to dedicate ourselves to continuous improvement," San Ramon Police Craig Stevens said in a statement that acknowledged growing public sentiment for regular officer evaluations and reviews of department training and procedures.

Sgt. Steve Goard of the Livermore Police Department told the Weekly, "I haven't spoken to a single officer who thinks what happened in Minneapolis isn't short of disgusting. We think that's disgusting and should never have happened. It's a very popular phrase but it's so true: 'One thing a good cop hates most is a bad cop'. We don't want those people in our profession, and we can identify and get them out, and I think that's something our agency's really good at."

Many of the criteria outlined by the newly launched "8 Can't Wait" campaign -- which advocates for the national adoption of eight policies that are shown to reduce killings by police and save lives, like requiring officers to report any misconduct and banning chokeholds and strangleholds -- are already protocol or being considered by the agencies that were interviewed. According to Goard, Livermore has actively worked to implement newer policing practices since former President Barack Obama formed the Task Force on 21st Century Policing.

"We put into effect a lot of stuff from President Obama's recommendations," Goard said, adding the public feedback was "instant" and highly positive.

In the case of the Danville Police Department, which is governed by the Contra Costa County Sheriff's Office, Police Chief Allan Shields said there's "a delay in policy" and that policy corrections are not only recommended "all the time" but actually put California ahead of the rest of the country in requiring officers to use all options before shooting.

"The interesting thing about 8 Can't Wait is that's a conversation we were having several years ago. The level of training we're giving our officers far exceeds what 8 Can't Wait is asking," Shields said, adding that states laws like Assembly Bill 392 and Senate Bill 230 -- which cover the used force continuum and require officers to exhaust all means before shooting -- have laid the groundwork for further development.

During a webinar on policing last week, Dublin Police Chief Garrett Holmes said it's "difficult to talk about national law enforcement" because of the many layers that exist from local policing to state and federal law enforcement.

"For us in California, here, we're very fortunate that usually we're on the forefront of any sort of reforms in law enforcement and sometimes it takes longer for other parts of the country to catch up with us," Holmes said.

Though different than the video-recorded actions of the former officer who knelt on Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes before Floyd died, widespread protests have led a number of law enforcement agencies throughout the state to recently end the use of carotid restraints, also called sleeper holds, which restrict blood flow by adding pressure to the sides of a person's neck.

All of the Tri-Valley agencies have done the same as well, prohibiting its use along with strangleholds and chokeholds, which were already banned in Livermore.

"Our policy has always been no chokeholds and strangleholds. We allowed carotid restraint and the reason is there's a difference," Goard said. "With a stranglehold, you're stopping someone from breathing but a carotid hold slows the blood flow to the brain, which allows the person to faint and gives the officer five to ten seconds to act. We had that in our use-of-force policy but could only use it under the most extreme and dire circumstances."

Livermore banned the use of carotid restraints on June 5 in response to public backlash, though Goard said the move already made sense. "It's such a rare application of force, at least for our agency, that as we got together, we just agreed it's completely understandable, and so we immediately made that change."

Pleasanton Police Chief David Swing told the Weekly that his department also "made the decision to temporarily suspend the use of carotid restraints" while they seek more feedback on the matter.

"As we have our community conversation and understand and listen first to our community ... we will also take a closer look at whether it's policies, training, whatever is appropriate," Swing said. "Use of force by our officers occurs in 0.06% of all our contacts; the carotid restraint is much less frequent than that."

Less than a month on the job in Pleasanton after making the move north from the Morgan Hill Police Department, where he was also chief, Swing said Pleasanton officers are also trained in several different force options that are available "when needed to ensure community safety or the officer's safety."

The Pleasanton City Council majority last Tuesday directed city staff to bring forward a draft action plan that will outline the process for future community conversations and public consideration of issues related to policing policies and practices in Pleasanton. They expect to hold a council meeting next month to discuss the future draft action plan only, with a community listening session before the council to follow soon thereafter.

"I think it's important that our community knows that we truly hear and see our community on this important topic," Swing said. "We are committed to engaging in constructive dialogue, we know that is paramount. As we begin this conversation, it is my hope that this further strengthens community partnerships and this is the start of a new engagement process that allows us to receive continuous feedback from the community."

Comments

Willy
Old Towne
on Jun 23, 2020 at 10:07 am
Willy, Old Towne
on Jun 23, 2020 at 10:07 am
30 people like this

Pleasanton Police Department is outstanding! Don't attempt to screw it up!


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Vintage Hills
on Jun 23, 2020 at 10:20 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
on Jun 23, 2020 at 10:20 am
10 people like this

There are excellent officers in place. However, we meet only three of the #8cantwait. 5 to go. We also need more training or a change for the mentally ill. Then we need expert oversight of the police department. Then we will have the best police department.


Transparency...........
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 23, 2020 at 11:20 am
Transparency..........., Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 23, 2020 at 11:20 am
7 people like this

I'm relieved to hear that our new Police Chief has concluded that PPD generally do not need to use the carotid hold when giving out parking tickets, but I'd be more interested to understand how many times it actually has been used, and why (assuming this statistic is actually recorded).


stopresisting
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 23, 2020 at 11:36 am
stopresisting, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 23, 2020 at 11:36 am
18 people like this

Transparency -

The police department puts a report out every year on their activity. They include a section for use of force and the use of the carotid hold.

2019 - twice in 65,565 calls for service.
2018 - once in 63,988 calls for service.
2017 - none in 72,432 calls for service.
2016 - none in 65,147 calls for service.

The 8cantwait advocates would have you believe there is a rash of carotid hold usage that plagues the police force and that banning it will create a utopian society where criminal surrender without violence. The facts simply do not support this.


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Vintage Hills
on Jun 23, 2020 at 12:28 pm
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
on Jun 23, 2020 at 12:28 pm
13 people like this

If they aren't being used, then eliminate them.


urmomz
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 23, 2020 at 12:39 pm
urmomz, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 23, 2020 at 12:39 pm
22 people like this

Kathleen - the more force options you eliminate, the less options there are to avoid lethal force. 8cantwait wants to get rid of the carotid. Julie Testa [Removed pending verification of accuracy.] Some other fringe group will be calling to take batons away. Next thing you know, the only option the cops will have is to shoot someone.

So shortsighted.


stopresisting
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 23, 2020 at 12:48 pm
stopresisting, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 23, 2020 at 12:48 pm
19 people like this

Pleasanton officers use force in roughly 0.05 percent of encounters (i.e 1 in every 2,000). Being they so rarely use force, maybe we should just eliminate force entirely and give the criminals free reign! *rolls eyes*


urmomz
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 23, 2020 at 1:04 pm
urmomz, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 23, 2020 at 1:04 pm
17 people like this

Hmm, apparently my precise description of Julie Testa's groupies was offensive. I guess I'll rephrase to Julie Testa's coalition of like-minded, ill-informed, political reactionaries.


Carl
Stoneridge
on Jun 23, 2020 at 2:43 pm
Carl, Stoneridge
on Jun 23, 2020 at 2:43 pm
21 people like this

@Kathleen - As usual we are at odds with how to police. You always come off as the know it all when it comes to police enforcement tactics yet you have NEVER been certified in the use of enforcement tactics. Not sure if you have ever taken a class. You need to think of eliminating the use of the carotid hold along the lines of asking your carpenter to leave his flat head screwdriver off his work belt because he only uses it once a year, yet when he needs it it's not there. The more tools you remove from the police belt the closer and faster you will get to lethal force because the gun will be all that is left.
What do almost all of these cases that you talk about have in common?? The person doesn't do as he is asked. And before you say it, yes the Floyd situation is the exception. If they just did what they were asked to do by the police things like this would almost never happen. Yes, someone has to be in charge of the situation and as of now it is still the police, even though there are those that want the criminals to be able to do whatever they wish and the police can't react. Run, no problem, we'll see you sometime again. We have gotten this all off kilter by making martyrs of the criminals and the police being portrayed as the devil.


Bryant Annenberg
Downtown
on Jun 23, 2020 at 2:46 pm
Bryant Annenberg, Downtown
on Jun 23, 2020 at 2:46 pm
1 person likes this

@urmomz

Please provide your source that Council member Testa was against PPD having tasers.

I am 99.9% certain you cannot.


Bryant Annenberg
Downtown
on Jun 23, 2020 at 5:44 pm
Bryant Annenberg , Downtown
on Jun 23, 2020 at 5:44 pm
4 people like this

@Carl

Unify Livermore recently held a panel discussion.

The Police Chiefs of Dublin & Livermore were part of the panel.

Both candidly admitted that a majority of their Officer’s time was not spent on dealing with criminals.

Most of their time is spent dealing with:

The homeless
The mentally ill
Substance abuse

Or any combinations of the 3.

Both stated that it would be best to have a social worker involved.

One of the Chiefs even stated that dealing with this segment of the population was not their charter and that it was almost by default that it became the responsibility of the police.

The honesty & candor shown by both was admirable.


Carl
Stoneridge
on Jun 23, 2020 at 7:07 pm
Carl, Stoneridge
on Jun 23, 2020 at 7:07 pm
2 people like this

@Bryant
I don't put much credence into panel discussions since activists by far control the narrative. I do have concerns how a social worker would deal with a person having a "violent mental episode" or a stung out druggie who gets combative, but I'm sure it would work just fine for the anti police crowd. I do agree that it has fallen on the police by default because politicians have restricted the use of mental health facilities as a preventive treatment.

If we de-fund the police I'd like to see the tax money spent on programs that would help ALL people, like Shepherd's Gate for battered women or Open Heart Kitchen to feed the hungry. Ya on board with that??


urmomz
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 7:44 am
urmomz, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 7:44 am
11 people like this

Bryant -[Portion removed pending verification for accuracy.] As the city attorney or city manager so eloquently put it to Julie, THE POLICY IS POSTED ONLINE. There is absolutely zero reason to have staff put together a report with a link to the existing policy, which is already publicly available.

Following that meeting, Julie Testa organized her coalition of like-minded, ill-informed, political reactionaries to spew uninformed hate at the police department at the next meeting.

Julie Testa's objective is transparently clear and her baseless vitriol for the police department is shameful.


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Vintage Hills
on Jun 24, 2020 at 9:01 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
on Jun 24, 2020 at 9:01 am
8 people like this

Carl, here is what I know about—two deaths for certain and one, enough to be concerned. I am not an expert. In the case of Jacob Bauer, the tasers were used incorrectly, and against what was recommended.

Police should not be the ones in charge of a mental crisis issue, as was the case with all the deaths (Estille had a head injury). I hope we find the answers (#8cantwait) and work toward a community where the police come to help.


urmomz
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 10:09 am
urmomz, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 10:09 am
16 people like this

Kathleen -

Who do you envision responding to incidents where:

1) A person has ingested a lethal does of methamphetamine and is acting violently?

2) A person who violently assaulted his wife, received treatment for his medical condition, returned home, is accessing a weapon with the intent of murdering his family, and points a firearm at the people who respond?

These are the facts of the scenarios you're questioning. No doctor, social worker, or therapist is going to respond to these incidents without the police. These are NOT mental health issues, they are scenarios involving violent criminals. It is unfortunate those people died, but it was a direct result of the multitude of decisions they made.

Your desire to relieve violent criminals of any personal responsibility for their actions and place the blame at the feet of the unfortunate officers who did their duty in a lawful and professional manner is sickening.


urmomz
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 10:16 am
urmomz, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 10:16 am
16 people like this

I forgot scenario three, where the suspect was violently assaulting the officer and slamming his head against the concrete. I don't think there's any need to comment further on that.

Shame on you Kathleen.


Bryant Annenberg
Downtown
on Jun 24, 2020 at 10:35 am
Bryant Annenberg , Downtown
on Jun 24, 2020 at 10:35 am
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@Carl

Absolutely I would be onboard !

Already a $upporter of Shepherd’s Gate


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Vintage Hills
on Jun 24, 2020 at 11:45 am
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
on Jun 24, 2020 at 11:45 am
7 people like this

No shame. I’m not going to go through this for the millionth time. There was no need for any of these men to die.


Carl
Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 1:36 pm
Carl, Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 1:36 pm
10 people like this

@Kathleen
You keep saying there was no need for these men to die. Let me ask a question on the Bauer case since you are so convinced that the police were wrong. How would you have handled Jacob Bauer?? Remember that he did commit a crime at Raley's and is now leaving the scene when stopped. You are now on the scene, what are you going to do with Mr Bauer? If he decides he doesn't want to talk with you and walks off do you let him go? If you do let him walk is that 1)justice for the people that he just terrorized at the store and 2) does he still present a risk to others in the community? Your case, your choice....

Not sure if you have answered this question before; You keep saying that Bauer was having a mental crisis. Is that stated in any official document/report or was he just high on drugs as stated in the coroners report?


Bryant Annenberg
Downtown
on Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 pm
Bryant Annenberg , Downtown
on Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 pm
1 person likes this

@Carl

I’ll answer your question.

First, if any crime was committed, it would have been classified as a misdemeanor.

With your 30+ years in law enforcement, I am sure that you are aware that a person cannot be arrested for a misdemeanor unless witnessed by the law enforcement personnel.

What PPD should have done was to issue a citation, give Jacob Bauer the paper, and let him walk the 2 blocks to his house.

This would be similar to receiving a ticket for a traffic violation....pay the fine or appear in court.

This would have also given the PPD time to investigate (which neither Middleton or Chin did)

PPD responded with 10 uniformed officers, all of who stood over Jacob Bauer after he said he could not breath and withheld medical aid while he turned blue and died on the grass behind Jim’s restaurant.


Bryant Annenberg
Downtown
on Jun 24, 2020 at 2:23 pm
Bryant Annenberg , Downtown
on Jun 24, 2020 at 2:23 pm
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@Carl

Coroner’s job is to determine cause of death.

If you’ve read the report, the cause of death was: Drugs, asphyxiation, obesity.

Mental Illness is not a “cause of death “

To answer your other question....
Yes, it is documented that Jacob Bauer was in a state of crisis.

It has also been documented that no one in the store was terrorized (your description).

Regrettably, this “terrorized customers & acted violently “ are damage control narratives put out in press releases by the PPD.

Take a look at the incident report the PPD submitted to the state....you’ll see what I mean.


Bryant Annenberg
Downtown
on Jun 24, 2020 at 2:49 pm
Bryant Annenberg , Downtown
on Jun 24, 2020 at 2:49 pm
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@Carl

What area did you patrol?

Oakland?
Berkeley?

When I am in either of these cities, I encounter many who are (Or meet the stereotype): homeless, substance abusers, and/or mentally ill.

They have not bathed or has a haircut.

They act paranoid and delusional.

They shout or mumble the strangest things.... making no sense to me.

They also make me uncomfortable.

What did YOU do (or didn’t) when you came across these people?


Carl
Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 3:27 pm
Carl, Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 3:27 pm
6 people like this

@Bryant
"I am sure that you are aware that a person cannot be arrested for a misdemeanor unless witnessed by the law enforcement personnel."

Wrong!! You need to go back to law school. There are many exceptions to this rule based on probable cause. Example; Drunk driver crashes his car into a parked car, upon arrival at the scene the officers smell alcohol on his breath and administer field sobriety test which the driver fails. Since DUI is a misdemeanor do the police a)issue him a citation and let him go on his merry way or b)do they arrest him for drunk driving? Of course they arrest him since they have probable cause to believe he was DUI. In the Bauer case they had probable cause to arrest him for being under the influence of drugs plus statements by the store employees created probable cause that a crime had been committed at the store.

In short, your answer is that you would have cited and released a person that was under the influence of drugs who had just terrorized people in a store even though you had probable cause to arrest that person. I guess that justice for the victim of a crime is really not important to you. That's your choice.


Carl
Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 3:47 pm
Carl, Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 3:47 pm
9 people like this

@Bryant
I worked in Los Angeles and Oakland. The cities that you see today are not the cities that I worked in. These cities today look like third would countries that I visited in my military days.
Enough said!


urmomz
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 4:47 pm
urmomz, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 4:47 pm
8 people like this

Bryant -

You are not eligible for a citation if the offense you committed is likely to continue or if you are too intoxicated to care for yourself (853.6) of the penal code. As Bauer still had enough meth in his system to kill a horse, both of these criteria were met. The police could not and should not have given him a ticket.

Kathleen - you’re absolutely right. There was no reason they needed to die. They had every opportunity to not engage in violent criminal behavior and chose not to take it. They had every opportunity to cooperate with the police and chose not to. There was no reason they needed to die, but they chose a course of action that necessitated their death.


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Vintage Hills
on Jun 24, 2020 at 5:02 pm
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
on Jun 24, 2020 at 5:02 pm
2 people like this

urmomz, doing nothing would have been better. Done talking with you.


Bryant Annenberg
Downtown
on Jun 24, 2020 at 5:28 pm
Bryant Annenberg , Downtown
on Jun 24, 2020 at 5:28 pm
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@urmomz

So here’s the question I have for you.

What penal code did Jacob Bauer break while he was in Raley’s?


Carl
Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 5:57 pm
Carl, Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 5:57 pm
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@Bryant
Come on Bryant, this is so easy. For starters we go with 594 PC; Vandalism, breaking the bottles of drinks on the floor. Also the damage to the shopping cart he lifted and threw to the floor. For good measure we can add on 415 PC; Disturbing the Peace

@Kathleen
Guess you are not going to answer my question on how you would have handled the Bauer incident.

Have a good evening all.


Bryant Annenberg
Downtown
on Jun 24, 2020 at 6:29 pm
Bryant Annenberg , Downtown
on Jun 24, 2020 at 6:29 pm
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So why wasn’t either of those listed in the Police Report....

Stay tuned for the truth....


urmomz
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 6:45 pm
urmomz, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 6:45 pm
7 people like this

Doing nothing may have been better. Or maybe in his meth fueled psychosis he would have harmed an innocent person down the street. Fortunately, we’ll never know.


Carl
Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 6:50 pm
Carl, Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 6:50 pm
2 people like this

Are you suggesting that after all this time that there is a great conspiracy that is about to unfold? I have never actually read the police report, is it online somewhere? I’d love to read it if you have a copy of it. I know what I stated was in an article in the PW.

Let’s face it Bryant, you, Kathleen and I see the world thru different lens and I will never agree on your views of policing.

Have a great evening.


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Vintage Hills
on Jun 24, 2020 at 7:27 pm
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
on Jun 24, 2020 at 7:27 pm
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Carl, there are the tapes to watch. Jacob Bauer was cuffed and then put in a wrap. He couldn’t breathe in the wrap. We can skip how many times he was tased. There are three tapes available in this paper. Please watch them.


Carl
Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 7:35 pm
Carl, Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 7:35 pm
7 people like this

@Kathleen
That is not what I asked you! You keep avoiding my question on how you would have handled the situation of an uncooperative person that you had every right to detain and question. Pretend you are now the social worker on scene, what do you do??? It is not a trick question.

I asked if Bryant had a copy of the police report, I'd love to read it if it is available. I've seen the tapes you are talking about and our two worlds are not in sync with each other.

Have a nice evening.


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Vintage Hills
on Jun 24, 2020 at 7:44 pm
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
on Jun 24, 2020 at 7:44 pm
3 people like this

He was cooperating. He did not answer a self incriminating question. He was allowed to do that. And then it escalated, and badly.


Carl
Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 7:58 pm
Carl, Stoneridge
on Jun 24, 2020 at 7:58 pm
8 people like this

That is a pretty short answer with no resolution to a very complicated situation. We know he committed a crime inside the store, and it was known at the time he was detained. If he refuses to give you information that you need, like name, address and DOB, do you just let him walk? Did you determine if he was under the influence?? Do you tell the victims that he wouldn't cooperate with you so you just let him walk away without taking any action?? I think the victims would expect more than that.

That's enough, you obviously don't have a plan to deal with this situation.


urmomz
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 8:32 pm
urmomz, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 8:32 pm
7 people like this

Kathleen’s plan is pretty clear - surrender our community to every violent thug that chooses not to cooperate.


surprise
Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 8:53 pm
surprise, Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jun 24, 2020 at 8:53 pm
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The short answer to all of this is that Kathleen Ruegsegger is being the spokesperson for Jule Testa who has a clear vindetta against the Pleasanton Police Department [Portion removed]. Nowhere does Kathleen mention that Jacob Bauer had a lethal dose of meth in him or that he was obese--both things that contributed to his unfortunate death. The Bauer family independent autopsy report verified this as well. When did it become ok to go into a grocery store and throw bottles of for sale product on the floor without paying for them? I would also note, that neither Kathleen Ruegsegger nor Julie Testa were present when all of this was taking place--another fact worth noting.


Kathleen Ruegsegger
Vintage Hills
on Jun 24, 2020 at 9:53 pm
Kathleen Ruegsegger, Vintage Hills
on Jun 24, 2020 at 9:53 pm
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Thank you for pointing out that I wasn’t there. I wasn’t. But I watched the tapes and saw what happened. As will a jury.


Bryant Annenberg
Downtown
on Jun 25, 2020 at 6:36 am
Bryant Annenberg , Downtown
on Jun 25, 2020 at 6:36 am
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@urmomz

The only thugs in this case are the 10 uniformed PPD Officers who murdered Jacob Bauer.

There is a reason why 80% of the population believes Police Brutality is a problem....AP poll

This is just one example supporting those 80%

Carl, urmomz are obviously in the 20%


Bryant Annenberg
Downtown
on Jun 25, 2020 at 6:42 am
Bryant Annenberg , Downtown
on Jun 25, 2020 at 6:42 am
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@Carl

Why would it be necessary to kick and strike With baton a detained person in handcuffs & strAight jacket?

Have you done this?

Is this what POST directs officers todo?


Bryant Annenberg
Downtown
on Jun 25, 2020 at 6:54 am
Bryant Annenberg , Downtown
on Jun 25, 2020 at 6:54 am
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@Carl

In your 30+ years , are you saying that the Police issued press releases and printed in the newspaper are accurate?

Let’s compare:

PPD stated Jacob Bauer bit an officer.
Never Happened

PPD stated that Jacob Bauer was throwing shopping carts.
Never Happened

PPD stated Jacob Bauer was throwing bottles (liquor bottles)
No bottles of any kind were thrown or broken.

PPD stated Jacob Bauer was fine when loaded into the ambulance and died due to a cardiac event at the hospital.
Jacob Bauer died on the grass behind Jim’s restaurant.

The list goes on....

But continue to believe what you see printed in the PW.


Carl
Stoneridge
on Jun 25, 2020 at 8:57 am
Carl, Stoneridge
on Jun 25, 2020 at 8:57 am
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@Bryant
Wow, you claim to have all the inside information on what happened in the Bauer case. It’s almost as if you were present. I don’t know your source for the information that you claim to have but why are you wasting your time writing on this thread when you should be contacting Nancy O’Malley at the D/A’s officer or the State Attorney General to report the fabricated narrative that has been put out by the PPD, the Sheriff’s Department and the Coroner’s Office. Just make sure that you have all your “facts” in order before you go since facts are very stubborn things, they never change. Assumptions will not fly, just the facts.
Good Luck


Linda Kelly
Vintage Hills
on Jun 25, 2020 at 11:17 am
Linda Kelly, Vintage Hills
on Jun 25, 2020 at 11:17 am
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Were you there, Mr. Annenberg? Did you see the officer's wounds being treated in the video? Did you hear the officer say he didn't want to hurt Jacob Bauer's wrist as he tried to get a 3rd handcuff on because 2 weren't enough to put his wrists together as a result of his excess girth? Did you see that the wrap they put on him wasn't on his chest, where it could have hindered his breathing, but on his legs, to prevent his kicking them? Did you hear him call out to Mr. Trump? Did you see him resist all their attempts to reason with him, trying to calm him by calling him repeatedly, not nasty names, but by his given name...Jacob? Did you see Officer Chin first ascertain from the store employees their reason for calling police in the first place? Did you even watch the videos?? Did you see the two female paramedics prepare the guerny to get him into the ambulance, and see how difficult it was for the officers to lift him onto the guerny?

It was indeed a tragic chain of events, but no one seems to be questioning why is our mental health system so ineffectual. The Bauers tried to get help, but because their adult son, living with them because they hoped he'd be safer with them than on his own, was indeed an adult son. The system takes away parental control of adult sons unless he gives written permission for information to be given them. When the mental health system failed them, they tried to get the police to "do something to help him". Mr. Bauer told me they had called the police, I believe the number was 4 times and were told they couldn't do anything unless he committed an offense. That isn't the police officer's fault! Their hands were tied because the law doesn't allow them to interfere. Look to changing laws, not the actions of the police in this sad, heartbreaking instance. Stop trying to vilify the men and women who attempted to subdue an out of control individual so he could be evaluated and look to your state lawmakers to correct the inadequacies it how we care for the most vulnerable of our society!
And one last thing. Have any of you stopped to consider what deep and enduring pain your discussion here is heaping onto parents whose child is no longer alive? Do you have the slightest clue how painful it is for them to see an argument over his death played out on this forum? Any idea how hurtful it is to hear you talk about their son's addiction, some of you even blaming them? Where is your sense of humanity?
There is a lawsuit pending. Let it be adjudicated one way or the other and please, stop adding insult to the very real injuries this family is already enduring and give them a chance to heal. This isn't fodder for Sunday morning quarterbacking. These lives are irreparably changed forever. Show them some kindness and just shut the (expletive deleted) up.


Bryant Annenberg
Downtown
on Jun 25, 2020 at 1:21 pm
Bryant Annenberg , Downtown
on Jun 25, 2020 at 1:21 pm
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@ everyone

All I am trying to point out is that the 200+ page PPD report and the report PPD submitted to the AG has very different information compared to what has been reported as news in the PW.

Both are publicly available.

For the PPD report, just go to the station on Bernal, fill out the forms, pay the $ they charge as a “copy fee”, and you’ll get the report in about a week.


Carl
Stoneridge
on Jun 25, 2020 at 1:31 pm
Carl, Stoneridge
on Jun 25, 2020 at 1:31 pm
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@Bryant
Nah, no need. I think Linda nailed it, she said everything that needs to be said. If you don't agree with her then just believe whatever it is you think is the truth. For me this thread is now over.


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