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California Union to Parents: "Stop Volunteering!"

Original post made by ForTheKids on Mar 21, 2012

A union in Culver City wants "forced unionization" of parent volunteers. Unbelievable! Well, actually not considering the teachers union's goals.

article >> Web Link


Comments (26)

Posted by Wow!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 21, 2012 at 3:28 pm

Great article. Thanks for posting it. No wonder the schools don't want volunteers like they used to. And I loved this quote-"Last year, it was the unionization of babysitting. This year, it's the unionization of volunteering."


Posted by Carmen, a resident of Stoneridge Park
on Mar 21, 2012 at 3:30 pm

Hmmmm. I think I heard Obama give a speech on this. Something about how volunteer teachers should not replace union teachers because volunteer teachers aren't all socialists like the union teachers are. Where will this stop? That's what I want to know. Unionized factory workers? Unionized cops? Unionized coal miners? Unionized illegal farm workers? That's why our energy costs are so high. It's the unionized coal miners and "our" socialist Kenyan president.


Posted by insane, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 21, 2012 at 3:32 pm

I thought you must be joking, or exaggerating, but you're not. Only in California!!


Posted by Wow!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 21, 2012 at 3:35 pm

Costs of goods and services are lower in right to work states than states that force you to join unions.


Posted by Carmen, a resident of Stoneridge Park
on Mar 21, 2012 at 3:58 pm

"Costs of goods and services are lower in right to work states than states that force you to join unions."

Yes! That's why everyone is tripping all over everyone else trying to move to S. Caroline and W. Virginny. Good thinking, Wow! You get a red, white and blue star today.

I've always urged my boss to pay me less. That's because if he pays me less, he'll be able to sell goods more cheaply. I'd gladly forfeit 60% of my wage to buy trinkets at Walmart at a 10% reduction!


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Mar 21, 2012 at 4:28 pm

Yeah gollum, heaven knows volunteers make the lowest wages possible and there are no monetary benefits! Let's organize them cuz that's, like, a whole lotta people who could maybe pay dues.

Right to work states vs forced unionism: Web Link Just in case you need some options when you leave.


Posted by dublinmike, a resident of Dublin
on Mar 21, 2012 at 4:52 pm

dublinmike is a registered user.

Carmen, you couldn't spot a Socialist even if they stood in front of you. Get a dictionary.

Wow!, what does your comment have anything to do with the topic?

The link posted by ForTheKids is to a right wing website. They, in turn, took their stuff from California Public Policy Center, a website known for conservative ties.

I do not dispute that Unions may do something crazy like this, but I feel that relying on one website is not doing much independent researching. Just falling into line.


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 21, 2012 at 4:54 pm

This is just another example of the power the unions have. I had posted a link to a NY times article (PW removed my post/forum) that talked about how unions used lawyers to stop cities like Vallejo from re-doing contracts - they said that the unions were fighting so that even if a city declared bankruptcy, it still had to pay to Calpers. Yeah, they had to cut services and Calpers/unions did not care, as long as they continued to get their outrageous pensions and benefits (for current and future retirees)

The article quoted Governor Brown as saying Calpers was acting like a Ponzi scheme (forcing bankrupt cities like Vallejo to continue to make payments no matter what so Calpers could continue their monthly dues, ie, taking money from entity A to pay entity B)

Unions must end. Even pro-union Brown sees that (but had a hard time pushing for reform because of the union lobbying and the legislature which is democrat)

I will not bother posting the link again because the PW will remove my post if I do, but it was an article from the NY times (March 16, 2012) titled "Untouchable Pensions May Be Tested in California"

here are a few paragraphs:

"In California, the only precedent is in the city of Vallejo, which declared bankruptcy in 2008. Unlike Prichard and Central Falls, which had their own pension plans, Vallejo is part of a state-run system. It kept making all of its contributions to Calpers throughout its three-year bankruptcy."

"Mr. Stout said he had expected to renegotiate the city's retirement plans in bankruptcy, since everything else was on the table. At the time, Vallejo was in a fiscal tailspin with the mortgage debacle, which hit cities in California unusually hard."

"But Calpers drew a line in the sand, warning Mr. Stout and his lawyers that in California, public pensions can be increased but never decreased, not just for retirees, but also for workers at midcareer."

"What if the city is bankrupt and cannot afford it?

"They made it quite clear that they take that law very seriously," Mr. Stout said. Calpers also warned that if the bankruptcy judge ruled that the state pension laws stopped at the federal courthouse door, Calpers would appeal, and make Vallejo pay its legal bills. "
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"The city ended up cutting services sharply, gutting its retiree health plan, adding a 1 percent sales tax and cutting payments on its bonds. But its police officers and firefighters still qualify for full retirement at 50, and other city workers at 55.

Since Vallejo made no effort to cut pensions in bankruptcy, the legal issues remain untested, said Mr. Spiotto, the Chapter 9 lawyer. "

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"Critics in academic and legal circles say they believe Calpers wants to keep municipalities in its system because it needs to keep their contributions flowing in without interruption to cover the payouts it makes each month to retirees. Gov. Jerry Brown called that situation "a Ponzi scheme" last December, when he proposed a plan to lower public pension costs gradually, by offering smaller pensions to the workers that cities will hire in the future. The governor's plan was strongly opposed by public employees' unions, which have a strong voice in Calpers, and his fellow Democrats in the state Legislature have let it languish. "


Posted by Carmen, a resident of Stoneridge Park
on Mar 21, 2012 at 6:36 pm

I'd gladly give up my paid job if my kids could be taught by Karen Ruttsinuther and the rest of the hillbillies on this web site. I don't want to mention any names, but dublinmike kind of sounds like a union socialist. If ya ask me. By the way, what do teachers pay in union dues in Culver City. I bet it's at least 26% of their paycheck. It's ridiculous, really, and I pity those poor teachers who are being hornswaggled by the head union poopers.


Posted by dublinmike, a resident of Dublin
on Mar 21, 2012 at 7:22 pm

dublinmike is a registered user.

Okay, Carmen, you got me. I missed on the farcical nonsense. Got me on a bad hair day. Touche'

So, Resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton, "I will not bother posting the link again because the PW will remove my post if I do" paranoid?

So, a good night and bless USA.


Posted by lawlz, a resident of Amador Estates
on Mar 22, 2012 at 6:29 am

If someone in Culver City wants this, you know that ALL volunteers want a union. This is clear evidence!!!


Posted by gollum, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 22, 2012 at 8:34 am

Carmen, no one asked you......weak sarcasm or not, you can't defend the indefensible.


Posted by insane, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 22, 2012 at 8:38 am

It's people like Carmen that I can't understand. How could anyone think that parents volunteering could be a bad thing? It's like the college presidents who just got a 10% raise - things are totally screwed up here. I don't know how these people can live with themselves. They've already destroyed the future for our kids and still want more . . .


Posted by Extract dues , a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 22, 2012 at 10:55 am

Can't volunteer ? Is this America? Public Unions have to extract more dues for their political campaigns... from as many people as possible. Remember teacher unions are FOR teachers...not the children ! so this is not surprising. The unions are just showing their true colors.


Posted by Wow!, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 22, 2012 at 1:18 pm

The unions are not for the teachers. It is just for the money that they can extract from the teachers they pretend to represent.


Posted by Extract dues , a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 22, 2012 at 2:16 pm

It just illustrates that 'teacher's unions' are for and about 'teacher's', and collecting dues for 'political power', . . . NOT about their students.....if at all,in the context of 'fewer' students...translation...make my job easier. Otherwise, students are not part of the discussions.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Mar 22, 2012 at 2:37 pm

Hold on, this isn't a teachers' union:

"About 50 parents from Culver City Middle School, Culver City High School and several elementary campuses appeared at a CCUSD board meeting last week, asking district policymakers to preserve parent-funded volunteer positions, and to create a policy that would protect booster club-funded positions. They said the request came after the Association of Classified Employees-Culver City signaled that it would lodge a complaint with the Public Employment Relations Board (PERB), a quasi-judicial administrative agency that is charged with upholding and administering collective bargaining statutes that cover employees working in California schools.

"Though the complaint has yet to be filed, ACE President Debbie Hamme said the union is standing firm on its position that parent-funded positions should be part of their unit. 'When people are doing our bargaining unit work on a daily basis, we have the right to ask that those people be made a part of our unit,' she said in an interview Tuesday. 'This has been going on for a while, and we were not aware of it until just a few months ago. When it was brought to our attention that there were 20 positions that were not part of our unit, but should be, we decided as an executive board for the union that we needed to negotiate that they be brought into our unit. It's not a personal thing, it's a negotiations thing.'"

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When PPIE "saves" teachers or reading specialists, those members remain in the union regardless of the funding source. Not saying I agree with what is going on in Culver City (would need to find out more), but it should be clear just which union.


Posted by ForTheKids, a resident of Amador Estates
on Mar 22, 2012 at 4:59 pm

Dear KR,
Doesn't make one iota of a difference which union we are talking about.
They all band together because their goals are the same.
Parasitic unions exist to suck the life blood out of their hosts while delivering absolutely zero benefit to the host. Once the lifeblood is drained out of their host, the unions jump onto the back of another host. Period.

(BTW: I know unions. I was forced to be a union member to work at a certain manufacturing plant while in college. After college, my role was to prevent unions from entering my organization.)


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Mar 22, 2012 at 5:16 pm

Just trying to prevent a round of teacher bashing.


Posted by joanna, a resident of Downtown
on Mar 23, 2012 at 9:40 am

HotAir.com--says it all.


Posted by Stacey, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Mar 23, 2012 at 9:58 am

Stacey is a registered user.

Or perhaps MoveOn.org


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 25, 2012 at 1:57 pm

"Public-pension fund assumptions put future generations at financial risk "

"As for public-sector plans, " well " if the earnings fall short, taxpayers will be left to pay the pension benefits."

"We're already experiencing that phenomenon as California state and local governments divert money to pay pension debt racked up by CalPERS and other retirement systems that exceeds $200 billion."

Why do taxpayers need to bailout the public sector's pensions when it was Calpers who invested and lost money? The public sector is not bailing out the 401ks that took a hit when the stock market did not do well.

Why is the private sector having to bail out the public sector pensions? Which law says we have to?


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 25, 2012 at 1:58 pm

"Public-pension fund assumptions put future generations at financial risk "

"As for public-sector plans, " well " if the earnings fall short, taxpayers will be left to pay the pension benefits."

"We're already experiencing that phenomenon as California state and local governments divert money to pay pension debt racked up by CalPERS and other retirement systems that exceeds $200 billion."

Web Link

Why do taxpayers need to bailout the public sector's pensions when it was Calpers who invested and lost money? The public sector is not bailing out the 401ks that took a hit when the stock market did not do well.

Why is the private sector having to bail out the public sector pensions? Which law says we have to?


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 25, 2012 at 2:27 pm

The CA attorney general seems to be a problem when it comes to pension reform (her election was funded by unions):

"The cause of pension reform in California took a significant body shot Wednesday when a group hoping to put an overhaul measure before voters this year suspended its campaign."

"Beleaguered by fundraising problems and questions about the viability of its proposals, California Pension Reform shut down its efforts. The group's officials blamed the demise on a "false and misleading" summary of the plan by Attorney General Kamala Harris, a charge the Democrat denied."

"The death of California Pension Reform's efforts also wounded Gov. Jerry Brown's pension proposals to the Democratic-controlled Legislature, one analyst said, by removing the threat of a more draconian measure going before voters."


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Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 25, 2012 at 2:31 pm

"The Associated Press reports "tens of billions of dollars" have been lost from California's public pension funds. Public employees argue persuasively against pension cuts, while politicians and economists show the pension system is fiscally unsustainable."

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Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Mar 25, 2012 at 2:38 pm

I am not a republican, and I do not necessarily agree with the GOP, but perhaps it is time to vote republican in California to get the pension problem under control.

Read the following, republicans are backing Brown's efforts to reform the pensions, and yet the democrats are not:

"At a Capitol press conference, the Republican leaders of both chambers of the legislature -- backed by members of their caucus -- announced their support of Democratic Governor Jerry Brown's pension reform plans, noting in a statement, "We have not changed one comma, one period or one word. This is his plan as he wrote it, and we will stand with him to see it passed."
Brown's plan -- which would, amongst other things, introduce "hybrid" defined-benefit/defined-contribution plans, raise the retirement age for most public workers, up employee contributions to both health care and retirement plans, and end pension spiking -- isn't perfect. But it's an utterly reasonable first step towards getting the state's metastasizing public sector under control.

Given their slight numbers, the Republicans' support won't be sufficient to pass Brown's proposals into law. But it does lay down a marker for California's legislative Democrats, who risk looking absolutely beholden to labor interests if they can't get behind relatively modest proposals supported by both a Democratic governor and Republican legislators. If it takes that kind of shame to overcome the Democrats' recalcitrance, so be it. California's fiscal health hangs in the balance."

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