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FIre at Shadow Cliffs

Original post made by anon, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on May 5, 2013

On Saturday at aporox. 5 pm a fire broke out at Shadow Cliffs. It was on the "backside" or southside of the park. It burned aprox. 1 acre. Response was very quick by both EPRP and P/L fire. Fire danger is extremely high with dry brush in abundance. No one should be smoking or using flame in the area. Although not far from homes in Vista Diablo and Shadow Cliffs neighborhoods, no homes were threatened and no injuries reported.

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Posted by Arnold
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 5, 2013 at 4:51 pm

I wonder how much overtime the city is going to be charged because of one tiny fire? Fire science shows definitively that we don't need fire fighters. Buildings are now made of concrete; and once parks burn there's no sense in replanting trees and other flammable items. Meanwhile salaries (+overtime) and pensions are going through the roof and no doubt sooner or later in the future will have a tsunamic impact on all of us, including our children and their children and their children. Take a look at Calpers and Calstrs if you don't believe me.


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Posted by anon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 5, 2013 at 5:14 pm

Arnold. (I am sure you are a troll but I am commenting regardless)

Are you insane? Are you from this planet? First of all there is no OVERTIME, the fire dept. is always on duty, they rotate shifts. There may be some overtime if they are shorthanded. But scheduling covers the majority of the shift work. Secondly, it was controlled at about an acre because of the quick response. A slower response would have burned more acreage and possibly nearby homes. I don't know where you read that fire science shows we don't need fire fighters. Tell that to the victims of the recent fires in Napa and Southern California. A percentage of new buildings may have a percentage of concrete in them, however the entire structure is not concrete. And existing dwellings, my home and probably yours too, are not likely to be made out of concrete. Knowing the neighborhoods, I am sure the homes closest to the fire are not concrete. Spout your irrational comments when there is a fire racing towards your home.


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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 5, 2013 at 5:18 pm

The above coomenter is a troll. There is a serious person who posts as Arnold who is concerned about the public sector pension situation. There is a troll who uses his name to make silly comments like the one above.


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Posted by nancy s.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 6, 2013 at 4:41 pm

Glad it wasn't more serious. Good job!


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Posted by Arnold
a resident of Apperson Ridge
on May 7, 2013 at 2:33 pm

Hey Arnold...who responds to traffic accidents? Who responds to choking babies? Who responds to people not breathing? Who responds when buildings are burning? [removed]


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Posted by Arnold
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 7, 2013 at 4:43 pm

Cops -- usually unionized and too many of them (all sated with overtime pay). Nurses and doctors (overpaid). Coroners. Usually eight nearby fire depts. who all stand and watch them burn.

Yes, they're all needed. But not in the numbers we have, and not as unionized scammers of the public's largesse. As it stands, the entire state is scheduled sometime in the future to go broke. Just look at Calpers and Calstrs. Its a giant tsunami that will swallow everything unless we decertify the unions and take back pension money and promises.

The Dow topped 15,000 today. And what are people doing with the money they're making? Are they doing the heroic thing and starting up companies the way job-creating heroes are supposed to? NO! Why? Because all their profits are being spent on union fire fighters' pensions, that's why. Europe is finally coming to its senses about all this, as measured by a distinct uptick in Ron Paul tea shirts.


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Posted by nancy s.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 7, 2013 at 7:18 pm

[Removed because it was disrespectful and didn't further the conversaton.]


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Posted by Arnold
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 7, 2013 at 10:37 pm

@Nancy S,

I'm sorry you seem not to agree with me. I don't think calling me a name and telling me to leave the site is at all productive.

Fire science tells us we're overloaded with fire fighters. Moreover, they spend the majority of their shifts watching television.

It is because the entire state of California is beset with these overly paid, chronic underachievers that the state is going bankrupt. You can deny this, just like the people in Thailand denied the ominous tsunami that shaped up miles off shore and eventually overran them. There are plenty of sites on the internet that confirm what I am saying. Calpers and Calstrs are bringing the state into a perilous position, unable to afford outrageous pension demands placed upon all of us.

Many of us wise investors have more than doubled our investments, but its unreasonable to tax us because our taxes are already too high. Besides, that would be double taxation on income. Faced with this gargantuan problem, our only recourse is to cut our fire fighters. We don't need them at all in Pleasanton, as we can borrow Livermore's on those rare occasions when somebody's trashcan lights on fire. Even with that the tsunami will eventually hit, sometime in the future by best estimates, but cutting the state's fire fighters in half would give some of us a swimming chance.


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Posted by nancy s.
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 8, 2013 at 7:02 am

[Removed because it was disrespectful and didn't further the conversaton.]


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Posted by Arnold
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 8, 2013 at 10:36 am

I'm not going anywhere Nancy S, despite your efforts to censor my viewpoints. Have you followed the travails of Calpers and Calstrs? Do you know what this means for our children and their children? We're going to go bankrupt, sometime in the near or distant future, and with all due respect its people like you who will be responsible.

I'm well aware of the LPFD. Like I say, it needs to be cut in half. Fire science, about which I've read quite a bit, suggests that fewer and fewer domestic city structures are going up in flames, and that most wildlife fires are best left alone to burn themselves out.

Its kind of a joke, but really its no laughing matter that we're drowning in debt and unable to stanch the overwhelming tsunamic tide that threatens to wash over us sometime in the future. So, you can laugh all you want to, Nancy S., but the joke is on the tax payer while at this given moment there are full shifts of fire fighters eating Doritos and watching As the World Turns. IMHO they'd all be better off being let go and told to get a real job. But of course their union, interested only in firefighters, will resist while everyone else in their right mind wants change consistent with our Founding Fathers' wishes.


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Posted by Jake
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 8, 2013 at 7:32 pm

Arnold's comments were right on the money. I'll also point out that there were a bunch of Pleasanton police there too and I couldn't help but think do we need that many police for a little brush fire? But it is the same thing with them unions, pensions, a huge unfunded tsunami of unfunded liabilities from them too. In the old days police and firemen were volunteers.


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Posted by Nancy
a resident of Apperson Ridge
on May 11, 2013 at 11:40 am

Pleasanton Weekly Editor.....why is it you delete my comments because, "it doesn't further the conversation and name calling," but Arnorld calls the union " scammers" and you let his quote stand? Perhaps you side with his argument? Perhaps you have an agenda? Well then perhaps I shall print this out and follow up with the powers that be to have you removed as biased and unethical.....speak with you soon.


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Posted by Arnold
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 11, 2013 at 5:58 pm

@Nancy,
I'm permitted to refer union members as scammers because, unlike most posters on this site (except the union tools), they do not deserve our respect. Given the way all unions bilk the public, it is impossible to treat them with the respect that you and I deserve. Unless, that is, you are a union member, which then de facto would rule you out of civil conversation because union members, being scammers, bilkers, and less than human given how they mistreat us so, do not qualify for civil conversation. Now, if only half of them would step down, we'd probably not be having this conversation.


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