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Women’s Rights in 2011

Original post made by Cindy Cross on Aug 4, 2011

Women's Rights in 2011 by Cindy Cross
The Warren Jeffs trail in Texas came to a close today with a guilty verdict. He was charged with unlawful sex with two minors, aged 12 and 14.
Where are women's rights in America when things like this are going with impunity?
Warren Jeffs, the so called 'prophet' of the FLDS (Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints) church in Texas was the leader of the church who thought it their God given right to marry as many woman as they wanted. Jeffs, for some sick reason, felt that marrying women, (he preferred minors) was a means to reaching heaven.
Unbelievable as it seems, Jeffs would consummate the marriage to these underage women on a bed set up on the church alter with a bevy of eyewitnesses. The audio tapes of the sexual encounter with his 12 year old bride were entered into evidence during the Jeffs trial.
Witnesses to this terrible act were many, including women from the sect who consulted the underage bride with tips on how to please the 'prophet' Jeffs.
This is one of the most disgusting examples on how women are treated with impunity in our country with no one to help them. Only after years of complaining to authorities in Utah, Arizona and Colorado, former captives of this sick cult, were finally able to convince Texas legal officials to act on allegations of sexual abuse against minors after warrants were issued from Utah and Arizona. With his conviction in Utah overturned in 2010, he remained on the lam for over a year.
Warren Jeffs officially took over as 'prophet' after the death of his father Rulon Jeffs in 2007. Jeffs held absolute authority over the community of 10,000 with FLDS followers obeying his every word. Jeffs was overseer of marriages and every aspect of everyday life in the FLDS community where this life under this strict dictatorship, was all the inhabitants had ever known.
Women, who Jeffs wanted, or wanted for other elders of the church, would be assigned away from their husbands, or given away with no reason, like cattle. Young men, who captured the eye of young teenaged women were seen as a threat to Jeffs and his elder cronies and cast out of the sect. These cast out boys, are also known as the 'Lost Boys.' These lost boys are cast out with no money, food, or any means of supporting themselves. They have been found living on the streets of Las Vegas trying to survive in a world that is completely alien and unknown to them.
The women, or girls, who are left behind must obey the laws of the elders of this society. There is no one who can or is willing to help them.
If this sounds like a pedophile paradise—it is!
With Warren Jeffs tried and convicted, isn't it our responsibility as a society to help the remaining girls break the chains of enslavement and be free to choose their own partner in life? Or just live their life like everyone else in America.
We shouldn't sit by and watch this tragedy unfold before us without trying to help.
Wherever there's a fallen cult leader, one is waiting in the wings to pick up where he left off. We have to ensure that we stop the madness and help these girls lead a happy and healthy life without a group of sick perverts wanting to add them to their harem.
What can we do to help? This is 2011, how can this happen in America?

Comments (18)

Posted by Noreen, a resident of California Reflections
on Aug 4, 2011 at 10:50 pm

Being a member of a CHRISTIAN nation, Cindy, and knowing that our FOUNDING FATHERS denied rights to women, should it not surprise you that so many have difficulty wrapping their heads around that women's rights thingy? It's men attempting to control women, whether this means denying them the right to abortion on demand, forcing them to purchase their own rape kit after being raped, or expecting that they do housework and childcare 24/7 without pay.

Posted by Suzanne, a resident of Charter Oaks
on Aug 4, 2011 at 11:28 pm

Noreen, you rock girl! I've long suspected the right-wing frenzy over teachers' salaries is linked to Republican men being absolutely frightened of empowered women who make a salary commensurate with their own. The boys just don't want women making a salary that allows them to take the kids and live independently on their own as an option against continued marital abuse. Boys, you know it's hard to keep a women under your thumb when she's making what she deserves as a teacher. Male insecurity and dysfunction, all too prevalent, yet kept poorly hidden beneath Ron Paul econobabble.

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Aug 4, 2011 at 11:45 pm have you come to believe that women care more than men about protecting young people from being abused?

there are tens of millions of adults in the US who knew what was going on in the Jeff's compound and they did in NADA...

wishful thinking at best...

Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Aug 5, 2011 at 8:58 am

wow, Suzanne, that's quite the butch position to take. Not all men are out to keep women down. In fact, I'm more than happy that my wife has a great career and makes slightly more money than I do. And I'm sorry that you've had such bad experiences with men in your life that have lead you to take such a hostile position. Keep trying, I'm sure there's someone out there for you, male or not.

Posted by Suzanne, a resident of Charter Oaks
on Aug 5, 2011 at 9:51 am

So, Steve, is that the position you take with your wife? That when she asserts herself as an individual you call her a butch? I worked in a women's shelter for many years. There are many ways to keep a good woman down, Steve, including use of abusive, derogatory terms. My hunch is that your wife has the address of a spousal abuse shelter readily available to her, though out of your sight.

Posted by Ed, a resident of Birdland
on Aug 5, 2011 at 10:01 am

Yes I know what you mean, I was watching that right wing show, "The Ed Show" and Ed called cancer survivor Laura Ingraham a "slut" and it was truly disgusting!!!! Oh wait a minute he is on MSNBC and he is a liberal!!!! Me bad!!!! He said he was sorry so all is forgiven..............give me a break! The left is just bs when it comes to womens rights. Ever watch how nasty the right wingers are in attacking, Condelesa Rice, Hillary Clinton, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann et al? How me bad again...........the Left!!!

Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Aug 5, 2011 at 10:10 am

Maybe so, Suzanne. It's always good to have a healthy respect for your spouse. No one is 'keeping her down'. You fail to understand heterosexual relationships and the fact that marriage is a partnership in which we can both 'assert ourselves'. Your previous post attempting to link Republican politics, teachers and male insecurity are what lead to my 'derogatory' term. The point is, your obvious hatred for men and generalizations of anyone in the right indicate that I was on target. The world outside your shelter will provide you with a much wider view of real life. Some of it's may be intimidating if you don't wuire fit in, but you're tough, you can handle it.

Posted by Suzanne, a resident of Charter Oaks
on Aug 5, 2011 at 10:13 am

Get a load of clueless Ed. A real defender of women's rights. Wouldn't all you women out there just LOVE to be married to him?

Last time I looked, Dems were in support of women's right to choose an abortion. Last time I looked GOP -- specifically Bush admin -- for eight years eliminated the categories of spousal violence and male-on-female abuse from all census-related reports.

Posted by steve, a resident of Parkside
on Aug 5, 2011 at 10:17 am

speaking of women's rights, where's the outcry from NOW and other women's groups about the treatment of women in 3rd world and Muslim countries? The silence is deafening. Their selective outrage is directed at anyone in opposition to their supported in the Dem party. The hypocrisy is glaringly obvious and only serves to diinsih their credibility and their initial mission.

Posted by Suzanne, a resident of Charter Oaks
on Aug 5, 2011 at 10:25 am

Your comment above is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read on these posts. You really don't know what you are talking about do you? Please take the time to re-read your post, how it was written, the hate behind the words. Try a little bit of self-reflection. Please.

Posted by mimi, a resident of another community
on Aug 5, 2011 at 2:32 pm

With all of the strong derogatory comments being thrown around I would love to see you men and women send these strong opinions to our politicians. As a whole, we have become very complacent in this country because most are too busy to get involved. Call and write your opinions to your senators or any political party that has been voted into office and maybe we can get these perverts sent away forever. We as a whole need to speak up, maybe shout.

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Aug 5, 2011 at 11:14 pm

sometimes fighting online helps people find location...

Posted by Yet Another Teacher, a resident of Hart Middle School
on Aug 6, 2011 at 10:38 am

"steve" sounds like a real treasure. Sorry, ladies, he's taken! Darn...but he's spoiled us for other men with his Cary Grant-like charm and wit.

The problem with religious extremism in the United States is that we are cowed by religion. Churches don't pay taxes, even on their profit-making activities; the pedophilia in the Catholic Church and this mess with Warren Jeffs are all part of the same continuum. Americans don't question religious authorities because it's presumed these people are somehow "better" than us because they invoke the name of God and Jesus.

I have news for you: none of us is "holier" or "better" than anyone else, in a spiritual sense. We are all flawed human beings. No matter what your religious inclination (or lack of it), the lesson to be learned is this: tend to your own soul and your own life. You cannot let someone else do your thinking, or your feeling, or your believing, for you. As Bob Marley once sang: "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery/None but us can free our minds."

Hm, now I want to go play some Marley and have some tea on the patio. Have a beautiful weekend, everybody!

Posted by Yet Another Teacher, a resident of Hart Middle School
on Aug 6, 2011 at 10:46 am

Cindy: sorry nobody is addressing the question you posed at the end:

"Wherever there's a fallen cult leader, one is waiting in the wings to pick up where he left off. We have to ensure that we stop the madness and help these girls lead a happy and healthy life without a group of sick perverts wanting to add them to their harem.

What can we do to help? This is 2011, how can this happen in America?"

At this point, the reports are that the people in Jeffs' cult are in denial about his conviction. In other words, they want to keep believing in this false prophet.

The government has little authority over the adults who are so delusional as to follow Jeffs. Child welfare authorities will have to investigate to see if any more children (boys and girls both) are being neglected or abused.

In other words, I don't know of anything we can do to help directly.

What we can do to help indirectly is to lobby our own state and national legislators for tougher laws (and the resources to enforce them) to prevent people from exploiting children. What you have to remember is that the parents of the children in Jeffs' cult willingly let him exploit and abuse their kids. I can't imagine a parent doing that, but it's what happened, and all in the name of God and Jesus.

That's why I tell people to think for themselves...any time somebody waves a flag or a cross (or any other symbol) in my face, I quote George Carlin: "I leave symbols to the symbol-minded."

Posted by Mike, a resident of Del Prado
on Aug 6, 2011 at 4:48 pm

In my opinion women have too many rights.

Posted by Hank, a resident of Parkside
on Aug 6, 2011 at 4:58 pm

I agree with Mike in del Prado. Too much state intervention. The convicted guy should never have been arrested in the first place. Parents know whats good for their kids better than some hack, unionized state bureaucrat. Kids need to be put in their place once in a while. So do wives. And yes I'd like more wifes only but the state won't permit it. Its a clear case of reverse discrimanation.

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2011 at 8:24 pm

I've decided to forward the comments by "Hank" to the the FBI.

There is absolutely nothing humorous about the sexual abuse of girls by adult males.

There is nothing humorous about adults sexually abusing children.

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Aug 6, 2011 at 8:40 pm

There are 25 Registered Sex Offenders that live in Pleasanton, CA. Their photos can be viewed online.

"Hank" may be joking but the sexual abuse of children is not funny.

Hopefully, the FBI will follow-up on my report. It is tragic than an "adult" would joke about such a serious matter as the sexual abuse of girls and boys.

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