Man dies during arrest at Stoneridge Mall Around Town, posted by Editor, Pleasanton Weekly Online, on Mar 30, 2008 at 7:14 am
Pleasanton police are investigating the death of a 32-year-old male Fresno resident who became unresponsive during a shoplifting arrest. The man, who has not been identified yet, had been stopped by mall security after he allegedly attempted to steal a hat worth $25 from Macy's around 8:30 Thursday night.
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Posted by jen, a resident of another community, on Apr 1, 2008 at 10:22 am
I knew this man personally and can say that he was known to be honest, hard-working and not the kind of guy you are all wrongfully assuming him to be.....I have no idea how this all could have happened all I can think of is that he probably didn't think to set the hat down because he was suffering a heart attack! Please think about your statements before posting, he does have small children who now have no daddy and to see his life end this way is tragic and unbelievable. Don't let his family suffer more than necessary at the hands of strangers whose disrespect is uncalled for at this time. The man I knew would never steal anything, so let the detectives do their job and stop these hurtful statements for the sake of his surviving family. There is always more than meets the eye in most situations, and there is ALWAYS room for improvement in regard to reporters and their flashy headlines...not for a second do they consider the harm done to others with words alone, words that children might read only to suffer deeper unjust sorrow. Don't you people have anything better to do than comment on the death of MY FRIEND? SHAME ON YOU. what if this happened to you? would you put a hat down before exiting a store if you were under cardiac arrest? you had better hope so!!!!If any of his family happen to read this, I am so sorry for all the comments stangers have made about your loved one. I wish I could make it all go away for you. I wish I could bring him back for his little children. They will miss him more than you will ever know. Any more strangers care to attack me now? At least I can respond as I am still ALIVE to defend myself. Does innocent until proven guilty mean anything to anyone? Can you arrest a dead man for petty theft and put him on trial? Can we refocus on the fact that somebody died and happened to be holding a hat while dying? do you think you will die in a more graceful manner? Now you had better hope so because if you do not, strangers will attack your soul and leave your loved ones with feelings of despair to last a lifetime. Leave him alone, let his family grieve. Stop making assumptions based upon nonfactual allegations. Don't even think for one minute that he was a bad guy, he was a great dad and worked every day and does not deserve to end his life with all your stupid comments. I hope he can come back to haunt all you rude and careless people. I hope his kids never ever read any of these negative news reports labeling him a thief. This is very upsetting and tragic, let's leave it at that for now.
Posted by chris, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Apr 1, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Jen, sorry for your loss...well said and I imagine you were very upset while writing this....we don't know the circumstances, just that a human being, father, friend, someone that meant something to someone else has passed away.....Regardless of a hat or not, he was a human being and obviously VERY loved, god bless to you and your family.....
Posted by Friend In Fresno, a resident of another community, on Apr 4, 2008 at 11:01 am
Okay, I'll post this in hopes that I can offer some unbiased input regarding Alex's death.
First, Alex was a very nice guy. I knew him and went to church with him. He was working in construction at that time and was excited about the birth of his first son. Alex also was managing a large home near downtown Fresno with several renters.
Alex struggled with things in life as many of us do, he made some bad decisions here and there-- again like most of us-- but overall, he was decent guy who would try to make things right if they weren't. He also knew that he would face consequences of his actions and once admitted to me that his past would catch up to him someday.
My favorite memory of Alex was at a church outreach where he sat with total strangers explaining (in his own way) the Gospel message.
Anyhow, there are many ways to approach the reasons behind his death. But I think mostly it goes without saying that there are people who will mourn his passing, people who will be frustrated that he died young doing something so stupid and our response to this shows what kind of people we are more than who Alex was.
Posted by John, a resident of the Hacienda Gardens neighborhood, on Apr 4, 2008 at 8:12 pm
I appreciated hearing some good thoughts and background story about this human being who died during this event. Clearly the whole story isn't being published (yet), and most of what is being said is pure speculation, so having some input from those who knew him gives some insight for now. Why would someone call this "sniping"? The definitions of "sniping" are:
intr.v. sniped, snip·ing, snipes
1. To shoot at individuals from a concealed place.
2. To shoot snipe.
3. To make malicious, underhand remarks or attacks.
Posted by The Big Guy's Neighbor, a resident of another community, on Apr 5, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Hey Cholo, Are you dead or alive?...Brain dead! You're insulting a dead man as if the hat was yours.I thought it was owned by Macy's.
The police report wasn't quite accurate.The mall security got Alex down to the ground easily because he was intoxicated. They handcuffed him and then noticed he wasn't moving.Security rolled him over and he was already dead. Get it right people
Posted by former Fresnan, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 5, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Wow, I love reading the posts from the Fresno people. I lived in Fresno for many years and the mentality there is blame everyone else. Needless to say, I couldn't wait to move out of the modern Appalacia known as the Central Valley. Thank goodness most of the people there can't afford to live here. May the deceased rest in peace, may his fellow Fresnans stop defending his actions.
Posted by Unknown, a resident of another community, on Apr 5, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Big Guy's Neighber...
No offense, but your statement is not correct either.
To all who have replied: I cannot wait for the investigation to be over so I can tell the correct story. Whether anyone wants to beleive me or not, I was there with Alex. I cannot say who I am, but I can assure you that everything was done to attempt to save Alex.
The big question that I keep seeing thrown around is "Did he need to die for a $25 hat?".
That question is very biased. I dont think that anyone deserves to die, but at the same time, stealing is wrong, no matter if it costs a dollar or a thousand dollars.
The point is, someone died over a petty issue. No wrongdoing occurred. I telling myself that whether a person is scum, or polite, a theif or a saint, someone still died.
I dont fault anyone for this, it is just very, very unfortunate that the end result turned out this way.
Posted by Disgusted, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 5, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Ok, folks. Let's get real here.
Terrible tragedy for some regarding how this guy died and the fact that he died. But every day, a scenario like the following happens and no one here really seems to give a squat-sh...
Location: a village in Iraq. Insurgents who believe in their cause fire RPG's and automatic weapons at our troops on patrol. The fire comes from hidden positions in residential buildings. A family with many children hide in their house, innocent bystanders. Apache gunship fires many bursts from its Gatlin and multiple rounds of rockets into the building, approval to fire given by command looking down on the battle scene from cameras in aircraft flying over the battle, and who make the mistake about innocent civilians actually occupying the buildings. Result: family killed.
Who mourns them?
I know my post may appear off-topic but it's hard to read this stuff here without comparing the situation to events that deserve our sympathy much more.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Apr 5, 2008 at 8:18 pm
One thing for sure, nobody gets out of life alive! Mr. Fresno, why don't you go find yourself a tumbleweed and cry your eyes out. When folks steal from department stores, prices go up for shopper's that don't steal. If you were my neighbor, I'd have you raking my yard, pruning trees and making yourself useful! Tee hee hee, tee hee hee!
Posted by Shelley, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 5, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Thanks for putting things into perspective, which most people in the U.S. become comfortable in not having to do. I don't think your post is off topic at all. Reading people's reactions and opinions to things on this forum disgust me too for the same reasons. I wish people would start putting things into perspective more.
Posted by Ray, a resident of another community, on Apr 6, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Alex was my friend, he made mistakes like all off us do.he was a good person with a good heart, he really cared about pepole,i know because i knew him,yes he may have stole a hat.did that define who he was.have you never stole, for those who judge him so harshly my the LORD judge you the same.
Posted by chassolo, a resident of the Canyon Creek neighborhood, on Apr 8, 2008 at 11:27 am
i think cholo should get ready for a nice spot in the lake of fire. he certainly belongs there. acting high and mighty might work fine in your mind, but your not. in everyones mind here, you should go back where you came and don't bother being here. how are you a right wing immigrant? makes no sense. i think your anger is partially on your confusion of yourself. inter-termoil is always a bit*h. sucks to be you cholo.
Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore, on Apr 8, 2008 at 5:27 pm
CA laws exist for a reason. Citizens frequently complain about immigrants not respecting CA laws. How come so many Ptonians complain when I respect the letter of the law?
I do not understand the reference to "the lake of fire"? I recently offered to accept a one way ticket to Donostia but the collection to purchase my first class ticket on Air France failed to materialize?
As for Dr. Freud's suggestion that I "go back where you came", and comment about "inter-termoil", my response can only be tee hee hee, tee hee hee...
I stand by my position, it's illegal to steal and morally bankrupt.
What do you mean by "right wing immigrant"?
Can somebody please explain to me why it's so cool to steal?
Posted by Unknown, a resident of another community, on Apr 8, 2008 at 11:29 pm
You dont seem to get that people are not defending the fact that he stole, they are defending his dignity. And yes, before you even say or ask, even people who make mistakes and die for them should be granted their dignity.