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Natural gas leak ruled out as cause of 'suspicious' fire

Original post made on Dec 31, 2008

Police are eliminating a natural gas leak as one of the possible causes of an explosion and house fire on East Angela Street early last month, but remain tight-lipped as they continue their investigation.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 5:45 PM

Comments (65)

Posted by A concerned Neighbor, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Dec 31, 2008 at 12:54 pm

This tragic incident is becoming more distrubing as the weeks pass.

Posted by lori, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 31, 2008 at 1:05 pm

All of our donations have already gone to the Zuffa family. I am speaking for only myself when I say I feel I've been duped.

What a shame.

Posted by resident, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Dec 31, 2008 at 3:50 pm

Lori: You donated for the right reason, nothing has changed that. If, and I mean if because we do not yet know otherwise, these people did this for monetary or other reasons then you can be disgusted with them. But don't let that take away from the spirit of your giving. People who do this kind of thing usually get a return of their bad karma in the end.

Posted by lori, a resident of Livermore
on Dec 31, 2008 at 4:18 pm

resident: Thanks for your kind words of encouragement. I know giving is the point of giving, but it's just a shame how this story is seeming to be playing out. I have some theories, as well as things I've heard around town, but I guess we'll just see what happens, now.

Karma: what goes around, comes around.

And to those who also gave to the Zuffa's, don't let this situation ruin your spirit. You are all appreciated.

Posted by Curious, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 31, 2008 at 6:21 pm

Ok so look at the big picture here. She had a 2 layers of clothes on you can see that in the video and pics. Her car was no where in site, and the dogs were gone. Natural Gas was ruled out as the cause. If you noticed the fire was intense and fast. If you look at the flames you will they are black, most house fires are a lighter gray, that means that the fuel was a combustible source such as O lets say gas. So why would she have to layers of clothes on? Maybe cause she was thinking that if she spilled the gas over here she could lose the clothes and have a fresh pair underneath.

I think we can all see the obvious on who started the fire. Questions arise are why and what does she have to do with the Greenberg's? Yes she is a victim of her own doing.

Posted by neighbor, a resident of Valley View Elementary School
on Dec 31, 2008 at 6:55 pm

this is sad no matter what they find out. How desparte can someone get,-- until you walked in their shoes.......

Posted by Scared/Suspicious, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jan 1, 2009 at 11:09 am

If Mrs. Zuffa's job was to ignite the fire, I'm sure she didn't act alone. Someone put her at horrible risk, probably unintentionally. I imagine the husband and perhaps the Greenbergs are all under scrutiny at this point.

Posted by Sympathetic, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jan 1, 2009 at 11:50 am

Whether or not the Zuffas started this fire, the fact remains that this is a tragedy. Mrs. Zuffa's life will be forever changed by the burns she has suffered from this fire. And no one deserves to go through that kind of pain and suffering. Those who donated money should not feel "duped"- the Zuffas will likely have to pay thousands of dollars in medical bills for Mrs. Zuffa over the next few years. The bottom line is this is not a situation where anyone wins- it's a tragedy.

Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Jan 1, 2009 at 11:57 am

give it a rest...let the investigation move forward...stop the speculation...get a life...

Posted by Angie, a resident of Bridle Creek
on Jan 1, 2009 at 6:15 pm

I don't believe this fire was deliberately set. I think the stored gasoline was accidentally ignited. Whatever happened, the children are innocent and deserve community support.

Posted by Weird, a resident of Downtown
on Jan 2, 2009 at 7:46 am

My nephews have raced go karts for years and with the best of my knowledge the amount of gasoline it takes to operate these things, accompanied with the amount of gasoline typically stored, was nowhere near close enough to amount to a fire of this magnitude. This fire definately had to have "other" factors. For goodness sakes most common folks store gasoline for a lawn mower, or other misc yard/power tools. Just wait and see what the rest of the investigation produces.

Posted by Justice, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 2, 2009 at 8:54 am

The only thing that can motivate such actions is MONEY. Whatever the plan was, it's ruined now. No insurance company will pay a dime after all this is said and done. Even if the police finally say its an accident, insurance won't pay on the claim after all of the "suspicious" talk. They have ways of protecting their payouts.
And don't get your hopes up on the 'investigators' finding out what happened. They can only prepare the third story. The other two stories being the Zuffa's side and the TRUTH. With this kind of accident, everyone has something to HIDE!

Posted by Glenda, a resident of Kottinger Ranch
on Jan 2, 2009 at 10:31 am

It is a very sad situation and my heart goes out to the neighbors. They have an ugly, burned out mess in their neighborhood. If the Zuffa family had the house sold in foreclosure, even if they maintained living there, they probably didn't have the house insured. (And if it is ever proven that she actually caused the explosion, I doubt insurance would pay.) So the poor neighbors sit there with an ugly and dangerous burned out shell of a house and heavens only knows WHEN it will get torn down.

As for Mrs. Zuffa, burns are agonizingly painful. I feel sorry for her (even if it turns out that she caused it). Anyone that loses a home is distraught and upset- She was probably a mental wreck and made a poor decision. If it is ever proven that she actually caused the explosion, I'm sure she will face some type of criminal charges. It is a terrible tragedy any way you look at it.

Posted by Weird, a resident of Downtown
on Jan 2, 2009 at 4:05 pm

Where are the Greenbergs in all of this? How do they figure in, other than being the owners? Where is Mr. Zuffa, has he released any sort of statement on behalf of the Zuffa family? That might help all shed light on the situation. Has anyone asked how the children are doing? They must be emotional wrecks too. There is always more to the situation than the obvious. Just a few thoughts....

Posted by School mate, a resident of Pleasanton Middle School
on Jan 2, 2009 at 7:12 pm

I believe the boys need support from the community both with donations and dealing emotionally with the loss. Deonna is their Mother and meanwhile everyone needs to let the fire and police departments figure it out. Someone knows how the Greenbergs fit into this picture and why isn't that article being written to gain better understanding of what happened. I am still praying for the boys not to have lifetime issues caused from this and hope Deonna will recover quickly. The scars will be there forever, making it hard to forget.

Posted by frank, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jan 2, 2009 at 7:25 pm

In reading this thread and others that are following the fire on East Angela, I am finding that volatile fuel sources are largely misunderstood by the public. I believe most people believe all of those movies and TV shows where someone takes a liquid fuel, splashes it around, ignites a trail of it at a distance, and watches a flame rather slowly burn along the trail toward the area where most of the liquid has been splashed. Upon reaching that area the conflagration increases dramatically, but NOT explosively.

This only works if you choose the liquid carefully, like if you choose diesel fuel (kerosene). Heaven forbid if you choose gasoline!

Or acetone, methanol, and others like nitromethane that have a very high volatility. Volatility means that the liquid has a high vapor pressure and large quantities of the liquid at room temperature create fumes quickly when spilled out of a container, that when ignited, burn explosively.

For example, suppose you were to take a gallon of diesel fuel and spill it in front of you on your garage floor with the garage door shut (so the wind does not blow away any fumes). Then, after 30 or 60 seconds light a match like you are going to light your cigarette. Likely nothing will happen (though don't throw the lighted match on the floor into the fuel). Now take a gallon of gasoline and do the same thing. The instant you light the match you will find yourself in an explosive ball of flame. Gasoline is THAT dangerous! You will be burned severely. The fumes around you will explode!

Our Southern California murderous Santa Claus forgot this point, even though he had a technical understanding of designing a flame throwing using flammable liquids. The dummy used a highly volatile liquid while real flame throwers use a controlled volatility liquid, like jellified gasoline. Instead, he found himself immersed in the vapors which inadvertently exploded. He suffered severe burns, which led him later to commit suicide.

Now you know why gasoline is always stored in metal cans or very heavy polyethylene containers that cannot split open when dropped. Never ever carry or store gasoline in bottles or splittable containers. That single gallon of lawnmower gas if spilled at your feet can envelope you in a fireball. Finally, keep the kids away from it.

Posted by Interested, a resident of another community
on Jan 2, 2009 at 7:40 pm

Yes the Zuffa boys need support from the community but the community needs to hear from the Greenberg's or Keith Zuffa. How is Deonna doing? The Zuffa family has not allowed any updates of Deonna's condition to be released, why?? Why hasn't the Greenberg's made a statement??? It's time for both parties to speak up!!

Posted by UKNOWN, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 2, 2009 at 8:26 pm

Frank - you sure know alot about this.

Posted by frank, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jan 2, 2009 at 8:43 pm

Yes, UNKNOWN, but all of what I teach is KNOWN. It is called SCIENCE. Something that Americans don't understand anymore. They are too busy trying to be ROCK STARS, SPORTS FIGURES, or AMERICAN IDOLS.

There a still a few of us still employed in the sciences and engineering in the U. S. instead of just China, India, Japan, Europe, Eastern Europe and Russia.

Just be safe around gasoline, which is everywhere and is hazardous.

Posted by Tango, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Jan 3, 2009 at 3:01 am

Even if the fire was started accidently. The person who set if off will still suffer all the pain of having put their family out of their home just at the Holliday time and after. Just knowing that you were responsible is going to be hard. If Mrs. Zuffa was the one then she is also suffering those terrible burns. The boys are in noway to blame and we should give them as much support as we can. I have a gas fireplace insurt. It make me wonder if they had one and it might have been falty. THe fire could have been turned on because of the cold we have been having, and maybe it didn't properly ignite. my gas stove sometime doesn't ignite properly, and I have to be careful to see that it does, or I have gas fumes in my house.

Posted by Interested, a resident of another community
on Jan 3, 2009 at 9:02 am

"Gas" used in your gas fireplace is "natural gas". The fire department ruled that gas out in their investagation. Frank is talking about gasoline. The Zuffa's garage was packed full of cars and go-carts that would use gasoline! And Frank help me out here, the gasoline used with the go-carts is high preformance gasoline that I would guess has a higher explosion rate. We are not talking one have fun go-cart, they had a large trail (often parked on the street) of carts and equipment. They raced the go-carts, I think earning prize money in a BIG way. It was an activity that the City of Pleasanton was aware of an seemed to allow in a neighbor, across from a church...go figure! The fireplace was not the cause of this fire!

Posted by Weird, a resident of Downtown
on Jan 3, 2009 at 9:35 am

Wow "Interested", it almost seems that you resent their hobby. Did they race these cars up and down E. Angela St.? Why would the fact that they were garaged in a home across from a church have anything to do with ANYTHING! Why would the City of Pleassanton even care what their hobby was, unless of course they were street racing through town; which was clerely not the case. Last time I checked it was not a crime to house a go kart in a garage. Is it a crime to have a dirt bike too??? Let's be real for a minute and not make more of it than already is. A tragic situation is going to turn ugly for someone(s) at sometime; but to act as their hobby was disturbing to he town......come on really. Come to think of it, I know a few race drivers that race at Altamont raceway and they keep equipment in their garage and they are much much more than go kart matereial!

Posted by frank, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jan 3, 2009 at 7:04 pm

The garage and the possibility it contained gasoline for go karts continues to come up in these discussions. Realistically, everyone has some amount of gasoline in their garages, especially if they cut their own grass with gas-powered lawn mowers. So, having gasoline in their garage is not a big deal, assuming it is stored in approved, non-breakable containers.

Now I recall it was pointed out in one of these threads that the video of the fire that was made minutes after the initial explosion showed that the garage was not involved in the conflagration. Rather, the rear of the house was billowing great clouds of black smoke and the living quarters on the right side of the house had flames shooting out the window.

Since the authorities have ruled out any possibility that the fuel was natural gas delivered from PG&E, one has to look for other fuel sources that may be commonly available and have the capacity to explode violently within the enclosed spaces of a house if it is released from a storage container. That is why I believe the possibility of gasoline arises as a possible source. It is commonly available and may have been present. But no one other than the authorities know any facts at this point and mostly we are speculating.

My original point was to teach the dangers of volatile liquids like gasoline because so many of us have it around. And the kids can get to it.

Posted by curious, a resident of Castlewood Heights
on Jan 4, 2009 at 2:59 pm

So,cut to the chase. It's not rocket science! She caused it, was obviously in big financialy secretive trouble point blank... Her husband and chilren are the innocent ones and now their lives are bruised by her selfish actions. The law will find her guilty and though her injuries are sad, it's a chance she took.

Posted by Right, a resident of another community
on Jan 4, 2009 at 4:12 pm

So you assume she acted alone. That she would burn her house to the ground 2 weeks before Christmas.. Do you even know her? Are you casting judgement on the opinions of those blogging and the minimal information the news/authorities have provided. I'm sure you would appreciate that if you were fighting for your life in a burn unit.

Posted by Jessica, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 5, 2009 at 9:10 am

Frank, thanks for your insight. I think what you've said (factually) has really helped clear the air.

Curious, even though what you said was extremely bold, I have to say that at this point I agree with you.

Too many things don't add up to this "accident". Two layers of clothing isn't that weird for this time of year; but having the dogs at the vet, her car being parked around the corner, the fact that there was "valuable jewelry" inside.

A huge point to also be made is the fact that the Zuffas nor the Greenbergs have come forward to comment on Deonna's condition (obviously they know eachother...). I mean, right now this looks like a deliberately planned explosion, I feel like this needs to be announced, somehow, to convince us otherwise.

Posted by Jessica, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Jan 5, 2009 at 9:19 am

Not at the vet, I meant the groomer.

Posted by Curious, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 5, 2009 at 11:32 am

I dont understand why you guys cant accept the fact that Mr's Zuffa is the one t blame. It is so obvious, the 2 layers of clothing, car parked around the corner with her valuables, Dog's out of the house. Its pretty clear. But yet you make it sound like she is the victim and she was put up to it.

She burned the family house down. The worst part is that she got caught up in the act. So her plan backfired on her. If they had all those expensive things in the garage then why didn't she start the garage on fire first? The report said there was gasoline soaked in the floor. Hello pretty obvious what started the fire. She soaks the house with gas or race fuel, vapors fill the area she lights the match and it ignites. The explosion is from all the vapors in a confined area with not ventilation.

Its very said that the truth is she started it. Its also said that she was driven to that point of mental state of mind that she didn't care about anyone but herself. What kind of mother ruins her kids life by burning down all the memories.

Posted by Give me a break, a resident of another community
on Jan 5, 2009 at 11:47 am

What report are you referencing? Someone who says they know someone who has seen it? I could do the same thing and say "My brother is a cop and he said that he saw the dad pouring gas all over the house" then everyone would be blaming the husband.. Maybe he set her up. Do we have first hand- published facts or just someone who says they know someone with details?

Posted by A concerned Neighbor, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Jan 5, 2009 at 11:54 am

I too, along with hundreds of other concerned citizens have donated money to assit this family. While I completely agree that the children need the community's support, I have trouble digesting that donations will assist the Zuffa family with medical bills, should it be determined the Zuffa's played a role in the fire. This whole situation is unsettling, as talk is swirling around the neighborhood. IF the Zuffa's played a role in this terrible tragedy, then they will reap the consequences of the seeds they've sewn. Let the police and professionals hash out the cause and the truth. The truth always comes to light.

The part that concerns me the most are the boys. They are innocent in this mess and their lives are forever altered. Imagine these young boys now back in school after the the holiday break and all of this chatter is spreading through town and most likely has made its way into their schools. What kind of emotional damage has this situation done to them? Their home destroyed, their mother critically injured and forever scarred, the talk that their parents may be responsible? Regardless if their parents were involved, their mother now has injuries that are life changing; how does this affect the boys? It's simply tragic and I pray for the entire family.

Posted by What about the Father?, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Jan 5, 2009 at 12:37 pm

Why is Mr. Zuffa not part of this thread. Obviously, he knew the facts from the beginning yet accepted the community's money and gift cards? Sounds pretty selfish/greedy to me.

Posted by Enrique, a resident of Canyon Oaks
on Jan 5, 2009 at 5:01 pm

As they say, "follow the money".

Let's all assume that the fire was deliberate, which according to news account that we have read, seems to be the case.

My opinion is to determine who stands to financially gain from the destruction of the property. In this case, whoever held the property insurance on the house, and it seems to be the owners that the Zuffas sold (or transferred title) their home to. In this case, perhaps the mother in the home did not realize that the home was set to explode at the first spark. Do the current owners need to be looked into? Possibly.

As someone else pointed out, if the motive wasn't financial, but possibly revenge, then that goes along the previously mentioned points. 1. Items moved from home 2. Pets placed at groomers 3. Multiple layers of clothing, etc. In this case, one could argue the mother was not in the "right" frame of mind as she set out to destroy a house that she may have been devastated over losing (due to bankruptcy).

As one that financially donated to the family, though in the end we all may have been duped into thinking that this was an accident, my thoughts go out to the displaced children who nevertheless lost much more than worldly possessions.

Bottom line, who had the motive, the means and the opportunity.

Food for thought.

Posted by Suspicious, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Jan 5, 2009 at 5:33 pm

I am one who gave willingly to this family at the Farmers Market. Mr. Zuffa paraded his kids around, I guess, to develop sympathy all along knowing that this was an inside job. While I don't want my donation back, I call for him to donate the money to a charity. Yes, his kids are the victims here. However, maybe he should have realized long ago that all the fancy toys and hobbies were expensive and others should not be financing the adults poor decisions.

Posted by Interested, a resident of Kolb Ranch Estates
on Jan 5, 2009 at 6:18 pm

You've got to be kidding me....Mr. Zuffa was actually there "taking" your donation!!!I find that strange.(maybe the PW could get an interview with him at the Farmers Market) Do you know that the "other family with roof damage" actually lost everything in two bedrooms and has lost the use of their home for months. They're living in a hotel. This family has declined to accept public donations.....who is the victim?

Posted by Weird, a resident of Downtown
on Jan 6, 2009 at 7:41 am

Why is it so difficult to track down Mr. Zuffa for comment? Why haven't we heard any updates on Mrs. Zuffa's condition? PW can we somehow get an update? Have the authorities said where this investigation stands? Have any of the Zuffa family members released any statement, or someone on behalf of the family released a statement? Has anyone even tried to track down the Greenbergs? Just a few questions that I had, that I am sure a lot of other community members have. Someone needs to come forward; this community is owed an explanation!

Posted by Innocent til proven otherwise, a resident of Bonde Ranch
on Jan 6, 2009 at 2:42 pm

Im sure Mr. Zuffa has far more important things to deal with than answering questions from people like you who want to believe foul play was involved. And furthermore, if this is under investigation HE CANNOT COMMENT UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION HAS COMPLETED!!! Until then I guess all of you who insist on dragging this family through more hell can continue to speculate, gossip, accuse them of all wrong doing......I mean really, what the heck else do you have to do with yuor uneventful boring lives? Maybe find another tragedy to feed off of? Why dont you negative bloggers go contribute your time to the community....volunteer or something. Turn a new leaf, its a new year!

Posted by Concerned, a resident of another community
on Jan 6, 2009 at 3:55 pm

Innocent til proven otherwise - Thank you for your blog. It just sickens me that people can be so cruel. Seriously people there is the saying "innocent until proven guilty". This family has been put through the ringer and everyone is thinking the worst. I am sure there will be comments made when this investigation is complete until then lets not assume things and just give this family our support and guidance. We need to show some compassion for the family especially the boys.

Posted by Jorge, a resident of California Reflections
on Jan 7, 2009 at 2:00 pm

I can't imagine a sane individual subjecting themselves to a fire and believing that multiple layers of clothing would protect them. That doesn't make sense.

Posted by Celia, a resident of California Somerset
on Jan 7, 2009 at 2:02 pm

I have never had a container of gasoline in my house or garage. I have kids and animals and it's a bad idea. I use an electric mower.

Posted by Kari, a resident of Downtown
on Jan 7, 2009 at 4:42 pm

Has your family ever been involved in any type of racing. I grew up with gasoline containers in our garage. We raced it all!! Fom motorcycles to go karts. It's not that "out of the ordinary"

Posted by ENOUGH ALREADY, a resident of another community
on Jan 7, 2009 at 8:51 pm

How can people be so narrowminded? First of all the morning of the fire it was COLD remember it was December.... hence two shirts, sometime called jackets.. Police investigations are private information not public, the cause of the fire will be found out not in the usual CSI Las Vegas style 45 minute investigation. Mrs. Zuffa is suffering, the husband is suffering, the children are suffering all the entire families involved are suffering.. Compassion is what needs to be the forefront. Stop with all the crap.
Find another avenue to spew the negative talk, yes tragic, yes life changing and how proud you all will be when the truth comes out and you can say oh yes just as I thought....truw or not. Innocent until proven guilty is the American way. Stand up and get away from the computer and GET A LIFE! gossip is evil.

Posted by Double Standards, a resident of Castlewood Heights
on Jan 7, 2009 at 9:00 pm

I never heard this line when talking about the tennis coached who was wrongfully accused,
" Innocent until proven guilty is the American way." Sounds like a double standard at work.

Posted by UNKNOWN, a resident of Castlewood
on Jan 8, 2009 at 11:26 am

shutup you guys. you dont know anything

Posted by Celia, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 8, 2009 at 3:35 pm

Hey Kari, it's not that I thought it was out of the ordinary, just something that makes me uncomfortable. I won't even light a candle in my house. Won't use the fireplace. I just don't want to ever have a fire in my house. In the last place I lived a group of kids having a sleepover were burned to death because they fell asleep with candles burning.

Posted by anonomyous2, a resident of another community
on Jan 10, 2009 at 10:51 pm

I believe everyone who doesn't have anything positive to say should keep their thoughts to themselves. The community is not "owed" an explanation- it is none of our business- just let the police department handle it. No one should feel "duped" for giving money (thats just selfish) because no matter what the cause is you should always keep in mind that there may be a JUST REASON as to why this happened, and if thats not the case- at least you helped a family in need. Everyone who has posted negative comments should try and picture themselves in this situation and think about the HARDSHIPS the kids are going through. Please be considerate.

Posted by Tolerating, a resident of Birdland
on Jan 11, 2009 at 6:25 pm

There are 45 posts on this issue, and they all say the same thing; absolutely nothing. What a waste of time this was to read. It's such a shame that the residents with the least character in our community seem to be the most vocal. I guess it's true what they say about some being able to operate their brain or their mouth, but not both. How hurtful your totally uninformed comments are. Not just to this family, but to those of us who take pride in our collective compassion as a community. I hope readers from outside our area recognize that you do not speak for us, we simply tolerate you with that same compassion.

We have hired professional investigators to conduct incident investigations in our community, I don't believe any of you are among them. That gives each of your comments a credibility rating of Zero.

Posted by WWJD, a resident of another community
on Jan 12, 2009 at 2:00 am

Please stop casting stones.

Posted by Doo Doo, a resident of Valley Trails
on Jan 12, 2009 at 9:24 am

Anonomyous2... you need to really think about what you just wrote. The community has EVERY RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. It's not gossip, it happened right here in OUR TOWN. A house in Pleasanton "blew up" and damaged not only their house, but the neighbors as well. It is ALL of my buisness (and yours) to know what happened. This could have been MY neighbor ..or yours. We need to know exactly what happened to prevent others from trying the same thing (allegedly). Even if it was an accident, it is my RIGHT to know what caused the accident so I can try to prevent my family from being hurt. The house was in financial hardship (as alot more are these days) and for SOME reason it BLEW UP. If something suspicious happened to cause it, then we ALL need to know what happened so this doesn't become a "new way" to get out of the same hardship.
Look, you need to understand that I (or we) didn't use the word "suspicious", the police investigators did. I AM one of the ones saying "someone DID it"...and I don't expect anyone to believe me, who am I? I have just read the reports and evidence and I made up my own mind with what little information I have. My opinion is my own...and I'm growing VERY tired of any of you telling me to keep it to myself. Is that how Pleasanton is....just sweep its problems under the rug and HOPE it goes away?? Are all of you telling me to "mind my buisness"?...Can you HONESTLY say that you don't want to know the details of what happened? And I'll say again...I'm not waiting two years of investigations to voice my opinion. The explosion was a month ago. I like to address issues as they come up. Since we're on the issue. How long does it take to investigate? I mean, what exactly could they discover down the road that they haven't discovered already? If we started this thread after the case is know, a year and a half from now...There wouldn't be nearly as many of you on here with way or another....So lets keep it up PLEASANTON....forget these delusional people...lets TALK FACTS!

Posted by doo doo needs a life, a resident of Foothill Place
on Jan 12, 2009 at 12:30 pm

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Posted by doo doo needs a life, a resident of Foothill Place
on Jan 12, 2009 at 12:30 pm

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Posted by enrique...getalife, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 12, 2009 at 12:40 pm

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Posted by well, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 12, 2009 at 6:16 pm

WOW you all cant seem to say anything nice most of the postings have to be removed.and DooDoo where did you get the report from

Posted by anonomous, a resident of another community
on Jan 13, 2009 at 3:08 pm

has any of u people not stopped to think that just MAYBE keith didnt know about any of the problems going on in the house and that she was hiding it all, NO. so i personally think that unless u are directally involved in the situation involving the Zuffas, u should just read the paper and mind ur own.

As for the condition of Mrs. Zuffa, its is acceptable for the family to keeps her condition private as it is no ones buisness as to how she is. and u also u should think of the 2 kids, they are going tobe scared for life after this and im sure that all of the donations are much needed, whether or not u feel Keith had something to do with it.

AS FOR THE SO CALLED GAS IN THE GARAGE HAVING TO DO WITH IT- has anyone not noticed that the ENTIRE house is gone with EXCEPTION

Posted by anonomous, a resident of another community
on Jan 13, 2009 at 3:11 pm

of the garage burnt to the ground, so OBVIOUSLY it didnt start there. and as for the "go-carts", they had sprintcars, and when they were out infornt of the house, its called washing ppl. they didnt harm anyone with their hobby, its a family sport that they dd together, id also like to add that they were not keiths cars, but their youngest son Devons cars, and im sure that was his life. i just think that we should feel for the kids and stop with the speculation.

Posted by Jerry, a resident of Oak Hill
on Jan 14, 2009 at 12:07 am

Does the City of Pleasanton have a limit on the amount of flammable liquids one can have "stored" in a residential garage. Unincorporated Alameda County has a limit but I can't recall the amount.

Years ago a friend lived next door to an old guy in San Lorenzo that repaired old lawn mowers to sell at a flea market. He had his garage stuffed full and the Alameda County Fire Marshall ordered him to remove all but a few(don't remember the number he was allowed to keep). Fire Marshall said that's all the flammable liquid capacity he could store in his garage.

Fire Marshall also said motor vehicle fuel tanks(cars parked in the garage)didn't qualify as "stored flammable liquid".

Posted by Please stop, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Jan 14, 2009 at 9:45 am

Although we live just a few houses down from the Zuffa's we did not know them personally. Please members of the Pleasanton community, stop casting stones and playing Columbo - let the police do their job, as they are the qualified experts.

Regardless of what truth lies ahead and what the investigation reveals, the two Zuffa boys are forever scared by what has transpired. Please think of them and their emotions and what all of the negative speculation from their community may be doing to their psychological well being. They didn't ask for this and are innocent children. Please stop, please.

Posted by anonomous, a resident of another community
on Jan 14, 2009 at 1:37 pm

i agree with the please stop person, it is about the two boys now and im sure, as i would be, emotionally distraut. no matter what the outcome may be, im sure that they apprieciate all of the donations that have been made for their cause.

im sure that they wouldnt enjoy reading what all has been said in their community and would feel very alone in all of this due to almost everyone around them conspiraring against their mother. no matter what the cause of the fire may be, im sure that whoever did this to them has their reasons, but no one will know the truth unil the police are done with the investigation. i think that we should just mind our own until it all comes out. but what do i know...

Posted by facts, a resident of Downtown
on Jan 15, 2009 at 3:30 pm

i dont know the Zuffas personaly but i did see Mrs Zuffa walking the neighborhood offten.I was around when the fire fighters where putting out the fire, i found it odd that Mr Zuffa was there while his wife was taking to the hospital.Just a little odd

Posted by suspicious, a resident of Ruby Hill
on Jan 17, 2009 at 6:05 pm

(Comment removed by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff as innuendo, hearsay or specific accusatory information unsupported by facts. Comment will be re-posted if PW finds accusation has substance.)

Posted by Still concerned!, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Jan 26, 2009 at 11:33 pm

I have noticed that this subject is slowly getting swept under the rug as time goes on. 1st I would like to know how mrs zuffa is doing, if she out of the burn center and home with family? I sure hope so, it's been since may 8th? (as I recall). I would truly like to know the outcome of the investigation as we may all learn from this regardless of the outcome. How are the kids doing? Do they need any help in any way? I hope to hear more SOON

Posted by Informed, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 27, 2009 at 7:36 am

She is still in the hospital and will likely be there for some time.

Posted by Downtowner, a resident of Downtown
on Jan 30, 2009 at 11:20 pm

Hoping the Weekly will publish a follow-up story on the investigation. This is clearly a story of major interest to Pleasanton residents. Thanks.

Posted by curious needs to zip it, a resident of Amberwood/Wood Meadows
on Feb 10, 2009 at 11:08 am

Yo Curious...... Get a life. You watch too much CSI!

Posted by Praying for Dee in MI, a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Mar 17, 2009 at 5:43 am

Does anyone have an actual, factual update yet?

Many people from around the country have worked with Dee, love her and would like to know the facts.

Posted by Kathy, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Sep 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

Shame on all of you for passing judgment on the entire family. From what I am reading in the court files Mrs Zuffa acted ALONE!

Mr. Zuffa and the children are innocent and victims of this!

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