Teens open Airsoft gunfire on children Around Town, posted by Editor, Pleasanton Weekly Online, on Aug 15, 2007 at 11:31 pm
Rathbone Way is not a main street with heavy traffic, so the Rhodes brothers often play basketball in the street. Combined with Huff Drive, the streets make a residential loop right near Mohr Elementary School.
Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, July 20, 2007, 12:00 AM
Posted by Linktrigger, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2007 at 12:17 am
This article is highly dramatized. Obviously the victims wanted these guys to be punish even more because of this incident.
Lessons learned for these 2 guys, move on. What can you honestly gain about informing the community about this? That two guys went out and did something stupid? Yeah, but changing the whole policy? Are you guys trying to be heroes? The first time that happens is a warning. The 2nd time is the most important part. That's when you know these guys are really uncontrollable and should be stopped. But they learned not to do this again.
And your mommy made it looked like they were out for blood and hunting little kids.
Oh and don't bother commenting Justin. You sound like a retard.
Posted by Jason, a resident of the Kottinger Ranch neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2007 at 1:09 am
So the mother got her two-minutes of fame, and probably 'good-neighbour' points in her area.
The kids earned their bragging rights, and probably mouthed off in their schools.
This article obviously stretches teenage mischief to an extent that make s it seem that Sports Equipment (Airsoft Guns) are lethal weapons, and the teens involved are criminals.
I am sorry but I cannot advocate the opinion portrayed in this article.
First off, being 18, I understand the complex reasoning behind the mischief or "Battery" that was commited. Simply, there is no reason other than that we are young, and we make mistakes and dumb decisions. IF ANYTHING, PARENTS and our ELDERS should be the ones that have a deeper understanding of a teen life rather than us. With age comes wisdom.
- Because this "Battery" was an inappropriate choice of the teenagers involved, a REASONABLE and inexpensive punishment should be dealt. The shame of having their names and personas cruelly and inaccurately displayed in an article (ON THE NET) is overkill.
- In my opinion, and taking from experience, a choice like this will never be made again. Let alone, it would never cross their minds either.
Now lets look at the shooting itself, from a scientific perspective. As well as count in any OTHER possible risks.
- Consider this: Lets say you are one of those teens, and of course you have their 'cruel' persona as well. You are in the shooting vehicle, as you approach your victims, would you want ur only means of escape to stop? or rather, maintain a moderate speed? Personally i would like a momentum going in order for a quick and easy escape.(Is it me? Or does the article say the truck stopped? Or maybe it was tweaked to appeal to a certain demographic of pleasanton citizens?)
- Now a question: What was one thing we were taught as children about strangers?
Answer: Don't talk to them or go near their cars.
(Just a little thing on my mind.)
- Sticking to my original theory of how the shooting truck was moving but at a slow place; mull over this:
(But first some background info: Airsoft pellets are relatively small in size and made out of some plastic polymer. The only areas where it could do near-severe/severe damage are the eyes [small target] and eardrums [near-impossible target]. Any where else of impact, there could be a possible abrasion, small welt or light bruise.)
The shooter was aiming a PIECE OF SPORT EQUIPMENT, not a "Firearm". His center of balance is constantly moving, along with his shooting plane, and if his shooting plane is moving, that means the targets he is aiming at, standing still or not, must be moving too. His projectiles, are miniscule in size and thus affected GREATLY by wind-change. Now weighing in all these factors, against the chance of hitting an incredibly small target which could cause severe damage to the victim; chances are, hitting that target will be increasingly difficult (with every shot, considering recoil also.)
Not to be mean, but those kids got it easy, they would have received the same bruises/abrasions if they were to play a game of airsoft. There is probably a higher chance of them getting hurt worse doing whatever they were doing or playing a sport at school.
Also just to throw it out there, If the argument is poised: "Those children witnessed a traumatic event". Citizens of pleasanton, no they haven't.
Actually it has already started, and you don't even know it. The source: school.
During lunch breaks and recreation time, bullying,teasing, etc. is something all kids are familiar with in school. And it increases in high-school. But thats all besides the point.
In a nutshell, I am just trying to say that mother of the kids overreacted, as well the city. The kids, well, they just wanted to be in a newspaper and try to fight us 'big-kids' back. The teenagers, they learned their lesson. And this article, just another way the media tries to affect you.
Posted by Krista Kutlik, a resident of the Kottinger Ranch neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2007 at 8:09 am
This is ridiculous. How about getting the FULL side of the story from the other party instead of throwing a pity party for the 'vicitm.'
Stephen? 30 days in Juvi wouldn't do anything. I can PROMISE you that both boys are going to go airsofting again [and I hopefully join them.] TONS ofkids go airsofting. And while I don't agree that the guns were pointed and fired upon little kids [becuase they're damn adorable, and for no other reason than that, really] airsofting isn't about to be stopped. It would give police something to worry about, however.
I walk everywhere. One of my friends lives a mile from me. And I walk becuase I lack a car. So, one day, iPod in, I'm fifteen minuets from his house. In front of the last giant hill I have to climb, turning off of Arbor, are about 5 kids. Three of them have guns. One is on a bike. As I spot them, they dart off into the brush. Was I afraid that they were going to shoot me? Not in the least. It was a mutual knowledge that they were going to be messing around and shooting each other.
I've gotten hurt from airsofting. In fact, I got hurt arisfoting when I went to a spot with Nic and Ryan. On top of that, I think it was Ryan who shot mefirst; I still have the scar. I pretty sure, that from driving, with little kids with imaginations, couldn't have really identified if it was a machine gun or not. If they really though it was? Maybe they're playing too many FPS [first person shooters].
Yeah, and the comment you posted Justin? Pity party extreme. School starts in a week, use that for you bragging, don't do it here where not a lot of people are on your side.
Lastly, the comment the mother made post-event was hilarious.
"The whole incident was shocking, she said, especially in light of the Virginia Tech shootings. In what she suspects the teens did as a YouTube stunt for thrills, her children were traumatized.
"It's one thing to shoot at each other on private property. It's stupid," she said. "But it's another thing to go on a hunt for kids. They drove down the street and terrorized these kids for no reason." "
OH GUYS, LETS GO HUNT LITTLE KIDS TODAY. They'll fo GREAT with my pasta.
You think they pre-planned it? Sorry, I don't. I'm pretty sure it was in-the-moment choices [as stupid as it was.] Oh, and relating it to Virginia Tech? That was uncalled for. You kids went to the Fair compared to the kids in that campus; and the loved ones around the rest of the world. My BROTHER was in that campus.
Lay off. This article is pointless, biast, and overexaggerated.
Posted by Stacey, a resident of the Amberwood/Wood Meadows neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2007 at 8:41 am
We did wild things too when I was a teenager in Pleasanton. You know the score, going out and cruising around Pleasanton to look for mischief to perform unplanned because you have nothing else to do. But the difference between us is that we had a code of honor that prevented us from doing stupid things like pointing weapons at people. It is a real simple concept to take responsibility for your own actions and not try to push things off like society should leave you alone because you made a "simple mistake". Or, as Linktrigger suggests, the first time you kill someone is a warning? Maybe the first time you skydive and your parachute doesn't open is also a warning? Sorry to burst your idealistic Pleasanton bubble, but life doesn't work that way.
You guys also make me laugh claiming a piece of sports equipment is not a weapon. Last time I checked, a bat was used rather effectively against another Pleasanton teen with pretty deadly force. Anything is a weapon in the hands of the wielder. It is up to you to decide what to do with it.
Posted by Marc Selwan, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2007 at 11:03 am
I cant believe this article got published...you call this news? its more like a wanna be tabloid. There was NO harm done, the boys appologized...while the little kids were laughing at them...traumatized? heh... that a good one...
this is an over exagerated article, it is one sided...and the victims were doing this to get their little fame
Posted by Aaron S., a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Aug 22, 2007 at 1:38 pm
1st things first those kids should have been charged on what they did. unlike paintball, airsoft is safer but airsoft looks like a realy gun but it is a sport to some people. you the pearnts always take things about 6000 ft over the top. and pearnts let ur kids speak for them selfs.
Posted by Amie, a resident of the Highland Oaks neighborhood, on Aug 24, 2007 at 9:24 am
Since when is it okay to harm someone and not accept the consequences? I find it interesting that the other poster found the mother's comments "hilarious." I think it's hilarious that she thinks she has so much insight into the psyche of little kids.
This whole incident and the comments posted are just another indication of what is wrong with teenagers. They live this cushy little life Pleasanton, where we all take safety for granted. Maybe they should go spend a day in a rough neighborhood in Oakland and they can learn what it is like to look at someone sticking a gun in your face. They might find out that having ANY kind of weapon pointed at you is not funny. The teenagers in this town need to learn some street smarts, and find out what is appropriate behavior.
I hope that the judicial system gives these bored and careless teenagers what they deserve. And I hope their parents help enforce the message of taking responsibility for their actions.
Posted by Ben Gopher, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Aug 24, 2007 at 6:33 pm
First off, you ALSO are taking this out of proportion. A trip to Oakland is not needed, instead you should do it yourself and keep your mouth shut for awhile.
Secondly, those aren't little kids, before you claim you know a little about their psyches, CONSIDER their age. Do you remember when u were 13-15? Also were you a boy at that age?
At that age, I would especially use this story to get some "street cred" at my school. And the fact that they are boys, they yearn to be masculine, if anything they would probably boast, "Oh the BB's didn't even hurt. I could do it again. If we see the older kids again we'll hide and throw rocks...." or something along those lines.
Now, back to your reference of going to oakland and "learn what it is like to look at someone sticking a gun in your face."
First off, the airsoft guns those teens used, were either all clear, or had a red tipped nozzle to indicate that it is not a firearm. I am pretty sure, the 'kids' knew they were fake if they even SAW the airsoft guns.
And personally I think our justice system is fine the way it is. Yes, the teenagers do need to be punished, but not to an extent of juvinile hall. Like who said it above, this article is punishment enough for them, honestly we all do not really know who these teens are. But the article depicts them as irresponsible hoodrats. They could be excellent graduates of Amador Valley, with bright futures and great ambitions.
I say a couple hours of community service, written apologies, and a confiscation of equipment is sufficient enough.
Posted by Barbara, a resident of the Vintage Hills Elementary School neighborhood, on Aug 24, 2007 at 8:49 pm
I'm disgusted at the attitude of most teens who posted here. Where do you all get off thinking it's okay to go shoot airguns at anyone, especially kids?
What has happened to respecting other people and their property? Krista, is R-E-S-P-E-C-T just a word you memorized for a spelling test back at Vintage Hills, or just the title of some golden oldie song? Because you obviously didn't get the meaning behind the word. None of you get it.
You admit you've got scars from airsofting. Okay, whatever, it's your body. But just because YOU dont mind some pain and a few battle scars to brag about, does that make it okay to inflict pain on others who have nothing to do with your or your friends? Please explain how you justify this behavior.
Here's another word you can look up along with "RESPECT" -- "Entitlement."
Posted by Kenny, a resident of the Pleasanton Meadows neighborhood, on Aug 28, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Ask a Pleasanton police officer how he or she would respond if a vehicle pulled up and pointed an Airsoft gun at them. The victims were no doubt in fear for their lives. This is way more than a harmless prank.
Posted by Krista, a resident of the Kottinger Ranch neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2007 at 10:55 am
Actually, respect [and it's a shame, I can spell, your hyphens were not needed] is something I put in my system as a high regard. If I don't get it from people, they won't get it from me. Respect of property; I thinkof it as part of the person, and should be treated with the same amount of respect as you would treat a person.
And I will restate, I did NOT agree with them shooting at the kids! I was simply refuting the fact that this article is HORRIBLY over the top and they did not bother to include much of a story from Nic and Ryan.
Posted by Jail Time, a resident of another community, on Sep 10, 2007 at 7:31 pm
ya know, this really makes me mad... punk teens acting like its "no big deal, we apologized" well, it IS a big deal since an innocent little boy playing by his home almost got his eye shot out by a plastic pellet!!! What is wrong with teens nowadays??? Are they just maladjusted morons? The teens responsible should have gone directly to Juvenile Hall for assaulting those little kids, do these mischievous hoodlums not realize that legally you cannot even push someone without it being an assault?? And to scare little kids that way, yeah real nice... come court time, I hope they get more than just a slap on the wrist by the judge.
Posted by Airsofter, a resident of the West of Foothill neighborhood, on Nov 15, 2007 at 8:56 pm
Geez, Nicholas Chiaradia, use some common sense. Don't ruin the sport of airsoft by randomly shooting people w/ airsoft guns who aren't playing and have proper safety gear. It's NOT a prank! Those who think this is a harmless prank are not familiar w/ airsoft guns, a kid(s) could have loss an eye permanently. This is pure stupidy and selfishness for others' safety. If a cop was near by, I won't feel sorry for you if he used deadly force during that incident. Thank you for making the sport of airsoft look bad.
Posted by justin rhodes, a resident of the Mohr Park neighborhood, on Jan 4, 2008 at 10:43 pm
I almost got eye taken out. What should I do suck it up and let them go! They shot my 8 yr old brother I thought we were dead. And thanks to those who care about kids at least the ones who don't might change.
Posted by Zero, a resident of another community, on Jun 19, 2008 at 3:17 pm
hey justin how old are you????posting crap like this, i bet u feel proud for making airsoft look like a real firearm instead of a sport. i totally agree that anything could be a dangerous item unless used properly, but a airsoft gun will either have a orange or red muzzle or an indication that it's not a real gun!!!!and why didnt u run back into the house first to begin with, but nooo i feel like an idiot and i'm going to go near that truck. okay what happens if those teens really ahd a real gun or dangerous item? then you walked up to it and get killed hmm? i feel bad that u got hurt but there is no need to exagerate and discriminate airsoft just because mommy dosnt like it!!! those teens i feel ashamed that u would do this but look at it this way. what if the gun was a paintball gun and the teens shot them? i belive that the same result will happen, not because the children were hit but it's the mothers and all discriminating a so called firearm!!!oh and by the way paintballs hurt a lot more so SUCK IT UP, DONT'T BE A WOOS AND TAKE IT AND DONT'T GO CRYING BACK TO MOMMY!!!!
Posted by Don, a resident of another community, on Sep 12, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Wow, both sides in this arguement seem very stupid to me. First of all it is NOT OK to shoot someone with an AIRSOFT gun unless they have ANSI rated goggles that will withstand the impact. they ARE NOT AIRGUNS that shoot metal pellets at a such a dangerous that would be considered a firearm. If you have eye protection the most you will get from an airsoft gun would be broken skin. I am an airsoft gun owner and have accidentally shot myself in the foot and it only gave me a welt. these kids with the airsoft guns should NOT have shot random kids in the first place they couldn't have accidentally shot the gun if he had followed instructions for safety which includes putting a muzzle cap and safety switch on. but for you who are against airsoft all airsoft guns should have an orange tip on the barrel. They are only sports equipment. Kids would do so much for popularity. Such as exagerating this article
Posted by Justin Thomes, a resident of the Heritage Oaks neighborhood, on May 17, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Well i don't get why the mother is so against airosft guns were Tyler has one of his own and has airsoft wars right on the strip of land next to the school across from the houses. She should not be complaining and neither should the boys when they like being shot and make a game of it.
Posted by Amazing, a resident of the Downtown neighborhood, on Mar 2, 2011 at 7:14 pm
I am very surprised at the stupidity of these teenagers, for one they could have hurt one of these kids and secondly they are lucky they did not get shot themselves. You would be amazed at the number of people in Pleasanton who carry handguns.