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How was your water bill?

Original post made by Diana, Old Towne, on Aug 15, 2014

Was everyone able to meet your 25%, or did any of you get an unpleasant surprise in your water bill?

Are fines on Pleasanton residents reasonable when the rest of the state is asked to conserve voluntarily? I support conservation efforts and have followed all recommendations, but I think fines are premature and punitive.


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20. Update on the Stage 3 Water Shortage and Local Emergency Declaration - See more at: Web Link

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Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 15, 2014 at 3:57 pm

City of Pleasanton fined 294 residential water customers 95,648,00.
City of Pleasanton fined 128 commercial water customers 184,840.00.


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Posted by Diana
a resident of Old Towne
on Aug 15, 2014 at 4:14 pm

Michael do we know of other communities that are using penalties? I see the statewide restrictions are between 10-20% but I do not see fines.


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Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 15, 2014 at 4:35 pm

Pleasanton is out in front of the other communities with the fines.
Primarily because Pleasanton does not have the water resources other communities have.

That will change with the other communities now that they have been put on notice. They will also start getting the same scrutiny and will be penalized.

With the possible exception of East Bay Mudd customers. That water agency remains some what relaxed at this point.


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Posted by Damon
a resident of Foothill Knolls
on Aug 16, 2014 at 8:10 am

"Was everyone able to meet your 25%, or did any of you get an unpleasant surprise in your water bill? "

We met the 25% reduction. Actually, I think that we reduced by about 35% to 40%. Wasn't too difficult since we throttled back our sprinklers from 100% flow three times per week to 75% flow twice per week. That alone probably was the major savings. The difficulty is going to be in the fall and winter when we normally reduce and then turn off our sprinklers anyway. Going to be difficult to save 25% off the previous year by just cutting back on basic household water needs such as cooking, washing, and showering.


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Posted by Annette
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 16, 2014 at 8:56 am

I don't think they've started fining yet. We have a huge yard and with the shortfall of rain we watered about 15% more the past couple of months. No fines for us.


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Posted by Diana
a resident of Old Towne
on Aug 16, 2014 at 1:53 pm

Michael,
When Callippe golf course was being planed, citizens questioned whether it was a prudent idea because of water use. At the time we were told Pleasanton had far greater water resources than other communities. I wonder what has changed, housing growth? If we do not have enough water is it time for a housing moratorium?

Annette,
Many neighborhoods have not received their bills for this cycle. They are giving fines. Let us know when you get yours.


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Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 16, 2014 at 2:34 pm

I support housing moratorium.

The city is trucking in 300K gallons of recycled water every day to keep Callippe in operation. That method is expensive. On very hot days the recycled water is mixed with regular drinking water to keep Callippe green.

Callippe was not a good idea because of the drinking water drain.
The city dumps 2.2 million gallons of drinking water every year from their many storage sites due to Nitrate contamination.

I submitted an idea to the operations manager to rescue that 2.2 million gallons. They told me they would look into it.


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 16, 2014 at 3:31 pm

Diana,

" I wonder what has changed..."

It stopped raining.

"If we do not have enough water is it time for a housing moratorium? "

No. I think the community will benefit from the new housing being built. There are many available solutions to the short term water availability problem, such as recycling. Longer term, the new housing will continue to benefit Pleasanton just as it has done in Dublin.


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Posted by Diana
a resident of Old Towne
on Aug 16, 2014 at 4:03 pm

"" I wonder what has changed..."
It stopped raining."

Wrong.
We were at the end of the last, a real, drought when those discussions were happening. Pleasanton did not feel the last, 8 year, drought. Everyone else was rationing but we were told we were unique with such a plentiful water supply.

I do not see any benefit to more housing... more traffic, more overcrowding in our schools, less water, more restrictions on all resources. Definitely building moratorium!


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Posted by Annette
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 16, 2014 at 4:14 pm

Thanks Dianna!

We got our bill only a couple of days ago so maybe they didn't get around to fining us yet. We're willing to pay the fines because having a green yard is very important to us. But its nice not getting fined too!

About the housing I'm with you, and so is my husband. It's about time we put an end to the low class housing that continues to go up and bring us all down. Because I'm a Christian I won't say anymore but just leave it at that.


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Posted by Michael Austin
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Aug 16, 2014 at 4:26 pm

I think Pleasanton should unload Callippe. A good candidate to take it over would be the City and County of San Francisco. The C&C of San Francisco have their water transmission lines in that area currently supply Castlewood and Sunol residents with that water.

When Pleasanton and the developers purchased what is now the Bernal development on each side of I-680, a deal should have been cut with San Francisco the seller of the land to provide X # of acre feet of water as a part of the deal.

I believe we will never fully recover from this drought. Going forward all future development should mandate the developers to acquire the water rights to provide for their developments as a cost of doing business in their development projects.


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 16, 2014 at 4:58 pm

Diana,

"Wrong."

No, Right. It did stop raining. We're in a drought. Didn't you get the memo? Last year was really bad, and unexpected.

" Everyone else was rationing but we were told we were unique with such a plentiful water supply."

You mean decades ago? When are you talking about? When was "everyone else was rationing"?

"I do not see any benefit to more housing..."

Just look at Dublin. The school API scores are higher and rapidly increasing while Pleasanton has flat-lined. K-3 class sizes are also smaller in Dublin. New businesses and new housing brings in more taxes. There are many other benefits.


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Posted by you are a jerk
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 16, 2014 at 10:12 pm

@ Annette of Ruby Hill

You are the reason that people speak ill of Ruby Hill. You don't care about the cost because a green yard is important to you. And we all know, it is all about you. You and your entitled attitude. I am also quite sure that you are a liar as I believe that a person using the amount of water that you brag about WILL be charged a fine, and should be. Of course, being made of money, you will simply pay it and continue to piss away our drinking water. All about you, all day long.

As for your comment " Because I'm a Christian I won't say anymore but just leave it at that.". That just fits beautifully. Use your godliness to cover up your bigotry and hate. Yup. Cause you are so much better than the rest of us, whatever our ancestry. Nope Annette, you are a dirtbag.


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Posted by Damon
a resident of Foothill Knolls
on Aug 17, 2014 at 7:31 am

@Annette

I like having a green lawn, too, and actually we have the financial resources where we could easily afford to keep our lawn green even at the cost of all the fines. But we're supposed to be all in this together. Please do your part. Your lawn won't die. The grass will just go dormant and come back green when the winter rains come in.


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Posted by Don't be baited
a resident of Old Towne
on Aug 17, 2014 at 8:39 am

Annette is a troll. The troll intends to insight class warfare against your neighbors. Don't be baited.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 17, 2014 at 9:25 am

can we all get along?


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Posted by Annette
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 17, 2014 at 9:33 am

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Posted by Marie
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 17, 2014 at 10:19 am

Let them eat cake.


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Posted by Ernie
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 18, 2014 at 5:40 am

Hey Annette...with some of the money from 'your success' maybe you could sign up for a class in spelling and grammar.
You said you haven't been 'find' yet...now that's funny...
All your money didn't buy you any smarts...it is FINED not find. LOL


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Posted by Annette
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 18, 2014 at 8:24 am

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Posted by Another Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 18, 2014 at 9:47 am

We were able to reduce way over 25% compared to last year.

Interestingly enough, though, our bill was still higher compared to last year.

Just can't win!


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Foothill Knolls
on Aug 18, 2014 at 11:09 am

@"Another Resident"

The water company has fixed costs. The fact that everyone may be using 25% less water doesn't mean that the water company can reduce its costs by 25%. They still need to charge roughly the same total amount to everyone to keep things running.


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Posted by no such thing
a resident of Walnut Grove Elementary School
on Aug 18, 2014 at 3:34 pm

No such thing as "fixed cost". All expenses can be evaluated and often reduced. Fixed cost is a term used by .gov agencies, most private enterprise has learned to keep reducing the "fixed costs" also.

How can they have the same cost across the board when they are treating 25% less water, it does not work that way. It's time these water agencies get their feet held to the fire on these and other issues before it ends up as screwed up as the school district.


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Posted by Ernie
a resident of Birdland
on Aug 18, 2014 at 3:45 pm

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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Aug 19, 2014 at 12:06 pm

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Posted by Annette
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 19, 2014 at 5:13 pm

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a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 19, 2014 at 6:55 pm

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a resident of Castlewood
on Aug 19, 2014 at 7:07 pm

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a resident of Ruby Hill
on Aug 19, 2014 at 7:46 pm

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a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Aug 20, 2014 at 9:07 am

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