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Changes in First Wednesday Street Parties

Original post made by Peacelovehappiness, Danbury Park, on Apr 23, 2014

Thank you SO VERY MUCH Pleasanton Downtown Association for changing the Beer Garden to the Entertainment Garden and making the First Wednesday Street Parties family friendly once again. To be turned away because we had a dog, or not allowed to enter with our own chairs because it was a "fire hazard" (which was absolutely ridiculous, especially given the hundreds of chairs that are allowed at the Friday Concerts in the Park), was so frustrating. And it was definitely totally opposite from a family friendly event after children were no longer allowed and it became more like a bar scene, taken over by hundreds of people seemingly only interested in drinking. My attendance the past couple years lessened because of the above, but I am now very much looking forward to Wednesdays in downtown again!

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Posted by agree, sort of
a resident of Castlewood
on Apr 23, 2014 at 9:35 am

I agree with the change to get rid of the drunken mob. But come on, do you think that kids and dogs belong in a bar?

Comparing it to the concerts, where there is no roped off area, is dumb. Although getting rid of drinking at the concerts might be a good thing too. Have you ever watched the drunks stagger across the street after the concert, get into their cars and then drive off? Where are the cops then? DUI, it's illegal even after a city sponsored event. Come on PPD start enforcing the law!


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 23, 2014 at 9:42 am

I agree with the beer part, however I don't think this should be a place for dogs. Why do people think their dogs should be entitled to be anywhere?

I do not want to be around them, so I choose to stay home.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Apr 23, 2014 at 1:34 pm

At this time it's dog welcome! Who doesn't love dogs?

Dogs are always cheerful and fun to hang out with.

Welcome doggies!


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Posted by What
a resident of Amador Estates
on Apr 24, 2014 at 8:42 am

Let's make it Pitbulls only. They can play with the little kids. Dogs should not be allowed ever. You can't be sure of how they will react.

Our Downtown is now dead. We have lost 50% of the the business to Livermore. If you are in denial of this then go down there on a Saturday. A downtown full of banks with office spaces is dumb. Our City Council is unable or unwilling to make changes to noice ordinances or making it restaraunt/bar friendly. Once again they get paid bt real estate and businesses on the side.


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Posted by Claudette
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 24, 2014 at 9:24 am

Dogs should be allowed in the streets, and the adults that own them should be held responsible for any damage they make just the same as their minor children. Adults that drink too much should also be accountable for their decisions and as far as I know, all these things are written in our Law Books ~ So everyone needs to relax and have a good time ~ More regulation has lead to a less productive Downtown. Who wants to live in an Overly Protective Bubble?


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Apr 24, 2014 at 9:25 am

Ban the dogs, some owners are inconsiderate and leave dropping behind on sidewalks and walking areas. Children shy away from big dogs and Adults do not need to be sniffed and slobbered. Pretty soon there will be doggie chairs in restaurants. It is bad enough that these inconsiderate owners allow their dogs to crap on our lawns and pee on our properties. Their are plenty of open spaces that these animals can run around and get their excerise. Show some consideration to the non dog owners, your city and it's residential and public properties.


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Posted by James T.
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Apr 24, 2014 at 10:10 am

Hallelujah! This should make a dent in the visiting drunk knucklehead factor @ 1st Wednesdays. We stopped going with our children 2 years ago simply because the band/beer & wine area was a nightmare to negotiate. I'm sure the bars & restaurants will pick up a good amount of business and I hope the PPD does their best to monitor those areas now.

As far as the Concerts in the Park however, we've always found it ironic that as an eating, drinking social event we rarely see overly inebriated people either at or leaving the concerts. It definitely attracts an older, maybe more "responsible" crowd and I would only hope that the city does not try to tone down or outlaw alcohol at those events.


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Posted by not exactly well mannered
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 24, 2014 at 10:22 am

James T, you have clearly not been at the concerts until 10 PM when the police finally run everyone off. Those who come early, stay late and drink heavily are the ones causing the problems. Walk down the streets near the park on Saturday morning and check out the cans, bottles and other trash littering the front yards and bushes of the homes on any of the surrounding streets. It seems that few people leaving the park can pass up the opportunity to drop off their trash into the yard of anyone living close to the park.

Those kind of inconsiderate slobs will be the reason the drinking in the park gets stopped. Unfortunately, in Pleasanton the entitled mentality does not include any requirement to be well mannered or considerate.


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Posted by lll
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 24, 2014 at 10:44 am

As for the concerts in the park, it actually is illegal to drink alcohol in a Pleasanton City park as per the city municipal code. The city has decided that they will not enforce the current law in a consistent basis. The police allow drinking at the concerts in the park but if you go to the same park at another day/time and have alcohol, the police will probably bust you.


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Posted by Maggie
a resident of Valencia
on Apr 24, 2014 at 11:12 am

Ban the children and the strollers ... keep the dogs - they behave!


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Apr 24, 2014 at 11:21 am

If you don't like dogs something is terribly wrong with you.

You probably also don't like children and senior citizens.

tee hee...

i rest my case...


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 24, 2014 at 11:59 am

Please check your facts. The City is not choosing to ignore a law or ordinance by allowing drinking at Concerts in the Park. The city ordinance can be waived and the Pleasanton Downtown Association follows the proper protocol annually to have the ordinance waived just for Concerts in the Park. Everyone is playing by the rules.


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Posted by not exactly well mannered
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 24, 2014 at 12:36 pm

I think resident is correct. If the city (PDA?, whoever) gets a waiver for an event -- like the beer and wine strolls -- the drinking can happen in just that park during only specified hours. Maybe we need to find out what those hours are for the concerts. Some people show up really early and the police are often called to roust the loud drunks out of the park when it is supposed to be closed at 10. If the drinking permit is only while the music is played then the PPD better get on it and start issuing some citations for unlawful drinking in the park. Everyone is NOT playing by the rules if they are drinking outside the permitted time and staying in the park until being thrown out by the PPD.


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Posted by Mark Twain
a resident of Del Prado
on Apr 24, 2014 at 4:34 pm

"The more I know about people, the better I like my dog."


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Posted by jim
a resident of Pleasanton Heights
on Apr 24, 2014 at 5:07 pm

If the dogs are a problem then have a downtown dog park for the dogs and their owners to attend. We could use the area that is unused at the end of main between the tracks and main street. Unlike surrounding town, Pleasanton has only one dog park on Maywood and it sucks.


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Posted by Get the facts
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 24, 2014 at 5:42 pm

All we need is one child bitten, and an ensuing lawsuit, and I bet dogs will no longer be allowed at First Wednesdays or Farmers Market. I have no idea why dogs are allowed in either place, especially since the food services and sales laws of the county prohibit this. Web Link


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Posted by Elmore
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 25, 2014 at 1:42 pm

WOW this post makes me very sad. I have lived in this town my entire life and It is obvious that everyone writing in must be fairly new to P-town. I can remember when Main St was lined with nothing but dive bars heck Past Time Pool was one of the nicer places. I am not saying I want to go back to the days of biker bars but I certainly don't want to go the other way and turn P-town into Elmore City the little town featured in the move Foot Loose. I live in the Hart of Down town and I have bleed P-Town Pride my entire life but down town has become so boring that for the first time in my life and as much as it pains me to admit my Livermore and Danville friends are right Pleasanton has become boring and both have surpassed us.


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Posted by PtownFan
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 25, 2014 at 3:43 pm

Good grief, ya'll sound like a bunch of "grumpy old men" yelling at everyone to "stay off my lawn!" Sick of hearing and seeing this attitude around town. A new generation has been moving into Livermore and Dublin (easier to break into the housing market in these cities) and encouraging and growing a modern, fun atmosphere. The families that are able to make it work in Pleasanton have to fight with the fuddy duddies (who would apparently rather stay in their house then encounter a <gasp> golden retriever) to get anything fun going. And no fun does not have to equal rowdy, disruptive, or drunk. We need some fresh attitudes and ideas around here!


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Posted by Pro-Law
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 25, 2014 at 11:48 pm

lll, a resident of Birdland -

You are actually incorrect in reference to the the police not enforcing the law about drinking in public. The police are not allowed to enforce the law because it IS LEGAL. If you read the municipal code section on alcohol in public places entirely it says the city can allow for waivers - which is exactly what is done in that case. It IS LEGAL to have an open container during the time in question and it would be unlawful for the police to stop anyone for having an open container during those times.

On a side note, a lot of people don't realize that the open container law / drinking in public is up to individual cities and counties in California and there are several jurisdictions where drinking in public is legal all times.


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Posted by Pro-Law
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 25, 2014 at 11:58 pm

not exactly well mannered, a resident of Downtown -

The beer and wine strolls actually require very different approval than the Concerts in the Park drinking. The beer and wine strolls do not allow for open containers in public (you must empty you glass before going outside) and each individual location that is serving alcohol must obtain an ABC license from the State because they are technically selling alcohol via the price of the ticket. The license is a special one-day license.

At Concerts in the Park no alcohol is being sold. Selling alcohol requires an ABC license from the State. Instead, people are bringing their own alcohol and having an open container in public. On normal days this would be illegal in Pleasanton, but there is a waiver process through the city that allows for an exemption.

In summary -

Wine & Beer Strolls = State of California, Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control license (no open containers)

Concerts in the Park = City of Pleasanton, City Hall exemption (no selling alcohol)


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Posted by not exactly well mannered
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 26, 2014 at 9:02 am

Pro-Law,

We are all aware that no booze is sold at the concerts. Most of us know that the exemption for drinking is for that park only and at only a certain time. What I know now, because I have checked the rules, is that the exemption is for the time of the concert only.

So, the drunks cannot come in the early afternoon, they cannot stay and drink beyond the music, and they cannot be in the park AT ALL after 10 PM. If PPD does not want to voluntarily enforce these rules then I will be happy to round up a bunch of neighbors who will gladly call the PPD to ask for an officer to show up.

Adults eating and drinking in the park during the concerts has never been a problem. Loud, obnoxious, screaming drunks who linger well after the concert ends will no longer be tolerated. Stopping all drinking in the park will be the next step if these people continue to abuse the rules.


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Posted by James T.
a resident of Pleasanton Valley
on Apr 29, 2014 at 1:45 pm

Well perhaps it's been a good thing that we've rarely lingered for much more than 20-30 minutes after the end of C.I.T.P. then. I'm sorry to hear (but not surprised)that there always seems be a small group of people that just likes to act like it's their first beer at a Frat party. Every bar, restaurant, airplane, ball game, beach and concert I've been to always seems to attract some knucklehead that will invariably manage to do damage to themselves or other people/property. Sad.

We've always liked to view the concerts as a place where even families with children can mingle and socialize with younger single folks and those who just happen to enjoy a nice cool glass of wine on the green, have a picnic and listen to music on a warm Friday night. In the future I suggest we all be a tad more vigilant in regards to the "Knucklehead" factor and if you see something getting out of control either politely say something or if you're intimidated by them, call the PD.

I'd hate to see our city elders shut this down so be cool and don't be, "that guy/girl" P-Town.


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Posted by not exactly well mannered
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 30, 2014 at 3:33 pm

When the city sees how nice the first Wednesday events are without the drunks everywhere they will know how nice the concerts will be when the drinking stops there as well.

The people in this town have such an entitlement mentality that allowing drinking in the park is not ever going to have a good outcome. They drink too much, they throw their trash everywhere, they stay far beyond a reasonable time and they act, as James T put it, like idiots at a frat party.

So people of Pleasanton here is your challenge -- come to the park whenever you like but drink only during the concert and LEAVE after the music is over. Do not drink too much, do not throw your trash anywhere other than the trash bins and do not piss off the neighbors. Or you will see a major effort to stop the entire events if that's what it takes to curb the noisy drunks. I don't even live that close to the concerts and am fed up, I can only imagine the feelings of those who are right there having to live with these idiots every Friday all summer long.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on May 1, 2014 at 8:15 am

drunks also p in public and leave a stench...get rid of drunks and i mean it!


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Posted by Laura Olson
a resident of Downtown
on May 6, 2014 at 2:59 pm

Hello everyone,

My name is Laura Olson and I am the Executive Director of the Pleasanton Downtown Association. I wanted to quickly address some of the comments being made about the events we host in Downtown.

- 1st Wednesdays = We understand the disappointment many people feel about the change to the beer/wine garden but this was made for multiple reasons. We are a very small non-profit organization and we do need to make decisions that we feel are in the best interest of our downtown and our association. This is not about taking the fun out of downtown. In fact, we added a new event last year, the Holiday Spirit Stroll, and our Wine Stroll and Brew Crawl events continue to grow and thrive. And please stay tuned for information about a new & exciting event coming in 2015!

- Concerts in the Park - as stated by several people above, we are abiding by the City Municipal Code with regards to alcohol consumption during Concerts in the Park. These events have been going on for well over 30 years on our community and we look forward to another wonderful season. We have a tremendous line-up for you this year!

Our downtown is a special place and something we should all be proud of and embrace. If you have concerns or questions about decisions being made I encourage you to contact me directly. You can reach me at the office at (925) 484-2199 or by email at director@pleasantondowntown.net

Thank you for your passion and concern about the downtown we all love. I look forward to seeing you Downtown!


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Posted by john
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on May 6, 2014 at 4:57 pm

Phony Mark Twain quote: See above.

Actual Mark Twain quote:

"I wish I owned half of that dog."
"Why?" somebody asked.
"Because I would kill my half."

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