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Boeing's 777 plant move

Original post made by Joe, Another Pleasanton neighborhood, on Dec 10, 2013

Twelve states including California, Illinois, Missouri, Alabama, Georgia, Kansas and Wisconsin are making proposals to Boeing for it to move its 777 plant there.

The only hope the Seattle workers have at this point is for the Federal NLRB to step in and call the planned move illegal. Interesting that only a move within the US could be called illegal; a move overseas and a plant closure as a result is not subject to NLRB review.

I wonder if Boeing will give the Seattle workers another chance to vote on the 20-year package offered by Boeing.

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Posted by Anti-union
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 10, 2013 at 11:02 pm

Well, the Feds better stay out of this, which is purely states rights. If Feds meddle, it would be cause for the biggest civil war this country has seen. It would mean the end of a free market, and cause for civil war...in the streets.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Dec 13, 2013 at 5:25 pm

Is anit-onion a DRAMA QUEEN or what?

yup...BUSTED!


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 13, 2013 at 5:44 pm

The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) is appointed by the President and is effectively the court of decision involving conflicts between labor unions and management.

Locally, is was the NLRB that decided that the Castlewood country club unfairly fired workers after they walked off the job, and forced their rehire. A settlement was eventually reached, which each side making some compromises, but Castlewood was prohibited from continuing the employment of those same non-union workers that had been working there.

At the time that Boeing decided to move its 787 production to South Carolina, the NLRB got into the act and decided that Boeing did so in illegal retaliation against the union. A settlement was reached that allowed the SC facility to continue in return for keeping some union jobs in Washington state.

It's a certainty that the Boeing union will again enlist the NLRB to try to force Boeing to stop the move of 777 manufacturing out of WA. One possible outcome is Boeing simply moving production overseas, in which case the NLRB is powerless. The net effect in this case would be a double loss for the US; the WA workers lose, and so do other potential US workers, albeit in a different state.

Would the WA union be so selfish and short-sighted that they would force Boeing to move overseas? Like the local BART unions, the Boeing union is only looking out for its own self-interest. Nothing wrong with that, but then there's nothing wrong with Boeing moving overseas, either.


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Posted by Anti-union
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 13, 2013 at 11:38 pm

How sad that our government and unions would rather drive such an icon of our nation's defense and employment out of the country. Union and government insanity grows worse every year. Our founders would be sad that freedom means so little to the America of today.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Dec 14, 2013 at 10:22 am

Correction for "Joe" to consider: line 3 - "is what". Intended mistake?

"Selfish" - What's wrong with being selfish? Isn't that the American style of business...mostly? After all, money talks in the USA!

"Self interest"? Do you mean enlightened self interest? Isn't that the same thing? or, are you referring to some kind of SIN? hmmmmmmmmmmmm...

My considered suggestion is that Boeing move to Haiti where they can hire the slaves that they're looking for...or, Tijuana, Mexico.

What Annie Union is proposing is a form of slavery...NOT!

can we all get along and share the profits?

B U S T E D! HOORAY! VIVA AMERICA!


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Dec 14, 2013 at 4:55 pm

What a breath of fresh air. More states, 13 so far, are competing for the Boeing 777 plant. Some states that weren't even on the initial invitation-to-bid list have submitted proposals, like Wisconsin.

Depending on what manufacturing processes are moved to the winning state, that state will gain 3,000 - 8,500 jobs and a $10 billion investment by Boeing. The 777 itself is planned to be in production for the next 20 years.

Oregon did exactly this with Intel in 2006 for a new chip plant. That by itself was a $5 billion investment in the Portland area. One big difference between Intel and Boeing is that high tech positions are generally salaried, non-union jobs.

WA lawmakers are also now crying foul, threatening to revoke tax breaks for Boeing's remaining manufacturing located in that state. Even with the proposed 777 move, Boeing would still be the state's largest employer, with over 75,000 jobs. You would think that the WA legislature would learn from its past mistakes, and also the mistakes by the union that led to the 787 departure from that state, and now the pending 777 move. Apparently not. Perhaps the combination of state lawmakers and unions won't be satisfied until all vestiges of Boeing have been removed from Washington.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Dec 16, 2013 at 9:21 am

If Boeing is unable to related to Union employees in a healthy manner, it's best for Boeing to moveon.com.


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Posted by Registered Joe
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 5, 2014 at 6:58 pm

This week, the local Seattle union voted again, and this time voted in favor of accepting Boeing's contract offer. In exchange for continued operation of the 777 plant and employment of the machinists' union, the union agreed to move to a 401K-type pension along with a package of wages and benefits.

Boeing was clearly ready to close the plant and move it elsewhere, and had offers from more than two dozen states, CA included. I would have liked to see the plant move to CA; it would have been a nice boost for our state economy. It's unclear how CA's offer stacked up against the other states that were bidding for the business.


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Posted by Bob
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 6, 2014 at 7:41 am

Yes, it's always cause for celebration when one of the largest profit makers in the world strong arms its workers into taking lower wages. More money for management! Viva CEO's and CFO's!


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Posted by right
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 9, 2014 at 8:44 am

It's so true, Bob, it is a cause for celebration that despite the unions attempts to undermine the company, that these union lemmings still have jobs. Their loyalty has been repaid with continued employment, which is something more than 7% of the population would have loved over the past 5 years.


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Posted by Registered Joe
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 9, 2014 at 10:11 am

It's a falsehood to single out the executives of a company by making them appear greedy. Ultimately they are responsible to the company's stockholders. And who are the stockholders? Well, those of us what have 401K plans typically select stock funds for investment of our retirement dollars, and many of those funds have Boeing, Microsoft, Intel, and other companies in their portfolios.

What if you're a pension plan (union or not), and so you don't have a 401K? Doesn't matter. Those pension dollars are also invested in stocks and stock funds that include companies like Boeing, Microsoft, and Intel. What do you think the pension fund managers do with all that cash, put it under the mattress?

Of course you want those companies to do well because you have a financial interest in their doing well. Selling airplanes at a profit requires you to be competitive in the marketplace, else you won't be selling airplanes for very long.


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Posted by Registered Joe
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Jan 9, 2014 at 10:11 am

It's a falsehood to single out the executives of a company by making them appear greedy. Ultimately they are responsible to the company's stockholders. And who are the stockholders? Well, those of us what have 401K plans typically select stock funds for investment of our retirement dollars, and many of those funds have Boeing, Microsoft, Intel, and other companies in their portfolios.

What if you're a pension plan (union or not), and so you don't have a 401K? Doesn't matter. Those pension dollars are also invested in stocks and stock funds that include companies like Boeing, Microsoft, and Intel. What do you think the pension fund managers do with all that cash, put it under the mattress?

Of course you want those companies to do well because you have a financial interest in their doing well. Selling airplanes at a profit requires you to be competitive in the marketplace, else you won't be selling airplanes for very long.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Jan 9, 2014 at 10:21 am

If you need a job, follow the crops. There are frequently jobs doing field work. Get a job...lazy. Or, is honest work below you?


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