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Work rules emerge as key issue in strike decision

Original post made on Oct 18, 2013

Work rules for employees emerged as a key issue in BART contract negotiations that resulted in union leaders announcing today that workers will go on strike Friday.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, October 17, 2013, 7:24 PM

Comments (36)

Posted by Bill Carman, a resident of Country Fair
on Oct 18, 2013 at 8:33 am

When I read that a work rule allowing overtime for less than 40 hours is demanded, I come to the conclusion that the strikers should be fired and replaced by the people who would be pleased with the salary and benefit package currently offered. Most of these jobs are not skilled labor and could be replaced with relative ease.


Posted by Ptown Lifer, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 18, 2013 at 9:23 am

Bart would legally need 3 months to train a new workforce. Start today.


Posted by Joe, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2013 at 9:32 am

Imagine that. BART workers demanding that they get overtime for working on the week-ends over and above their 40-hour shift.

Next thing you know they'll be demanding paid vacations, maternity leave, and the right to unionize.

You just can't trust union workers, anywhere.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Oct 18, 2013 at 9:35 am

I'm trying to help the whining public and their Plutonian cheerleaders to get a grip, find a job, stop being lifers...duh...if you have deeply rooted desires of inequality for all...eat crow!

I'm so delighted that this STRIKE has give you all a taste of reality.

BART negotiators are not only dodo birds, they make civilized society smell.

PHEW!


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Oct 18, 2013 at 10:21 am

We Are The Spooky Men - Web Link

HAPPY Hallows Day FORMER BART COMMUTERS AND PALS!


Posted by Daveg, a resident of Birdland
on Oct 18, 2013 at 12:18 pm

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Joe kind of shows his ignorance on this thread. First, the BART union doesn't know what a 40 hour work week is, and secondly they can call in sick, then work a week end of overtime not even coming close to their 37.5 normal work week. Gee, perhaps eventually we, the general public, that is stuck with an out of control transit union, will muster up enough support to force our legislatures to pass legislation that bans strikes by public transit unions. Joe, take the time to read the following link and than come back and try to seriously support the union demands.
Web Link


Posted by Jill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2013 at 12:50 pm

The union requires BART workers to show up to a certain station to get their assignments and then to travel to where they are supposed to work. This takes a couple of hours out of each day per person. Allow the workers to start their work at the place of work.

Make overtime available only to those who have actually worked 40 hours in that week. Do not count sick or vacation time.

Workers should pay for their pensions like non-government workers have to pay for social security. Or better yet, stop this whole government pension system and put all government workers on social security. If it is good enough for the US citizen, it is good enough for the government worker.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Oct 18, 2013 at 3:35 pm

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Posted by Daveg, a resident of Birdland
on Oct 18, 2013 at 4:07 pm

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Ms. Cholo's ramblings continue with absolutely nothing of value added. If she wants to comment on the general manager, start a separate posting. Somehow her childish ranting's on this posting have nothing to do with the fact that work rules need to change to allow BART to operate with some semblance of efficiency.


Posted by Jackie Noff, a resident of Lund Ranch II
on Oct 18, 2013 at 4:44 pm

daveg, you actually read cholo's postings and don't just skip to the next when you see his name like the rest of us?


Posted by Daveg, a resident of Birdland
on Oct 18, 2013 at 4:47 pm

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I know I should...........!


Posted by Jill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2013 at 4:52 pm

I thought "Cholo" meant "skip" in Spanish.


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Oct 18, 2013 at 5:05 pm

Dede reads ALL of my posts!

She asks questions to help her understand what I'm posting.

I'm willing to provide guidance to slow learners but not to hold her hand and eSplain my meaning...he doesn't always catch my drift not matter how many I esplain to her.

no no no, I'm don't wish to pamper any of my fans.

Missy Dede will not be treated any differently than any other fan!

After all, FAIR IS FAIR!

ps some folks are hard wired and understandably have problems catching my drift.. (Comment partially removed by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff)


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Oct 18, 2013 at 5:44 pm

Como puede ser? How can it be?

Please esplain how come so many BART managers make so much money? How did they get away with it?

Por favor/please esplain it?

I'm waiting!


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 18, 2013 at 6:22 pm

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From PBS, The Newshour this evening: Peter Castelli, SEIU, : We are very sorry. we understand that this strike, what it does to Bay Area riders, and we understand that it is a hardship. Our union represents a lot, thousands of folks; a lot of them are riders, and we know that this process is difficult." No mention that those "folks" ride for free or that they weren't scrambling to find ways to get to work today.


Posted by Jill, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2013 at 6:36 pm

We need to bring in Donald Trump to negotiate on behalf of the taxpayers/residents. He would fix the problem in two words:

You're fired!


Posted by Joe, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2013 at 6:43 pm

Good thinking Kathleen. I'm going to Xerox your comment and send to the Governor, the President, and Premiers/Kings/Dictators of countries that do not permit strikes. Doesn't this just frost your rear-end?


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 18, 2013 at 6:47 pm

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Knock yourself out, but only the Governor has any responsibility in this case.


Posted by Joe, a resident of Avila
on Oct 18, 2013 at 6:53 pm

Then why are you writing to us when only the Governor has responsibility? No, I think we need to share your illuminations with all the enlightened dictatorships around the world who don't allow their workers to unionize, strike, or ride public transportation for free. Please continue to do the valuable work you do!


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 18, 2013 at 7:00 pm

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Just pointing out some of your stellar leadership's nonsensical statements. Hundreds of thousands inconvenienced today, but he wants us to have empathy for a few thousand who ride for free and didn't go to work anyway.


Posted by Joe, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2013 at 7:12 pm

Right you are, Little Miss Empathy. Because going a day without being paid is no inconvenience at all. But of course if all one can do is play the hate-laced victim card, it's probably pretty difficult to understand the inconveniences of a strike, especially for those who are striking.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 18, 2013 at 7:31 pm

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There are your true colors "Joe." So, you know these union members are on strike because their leadership said it was necessary for them to miss a day's pay (even though their leadership is getting paid, and from the dues the members pay, right?). Let the members work; let the Bay Area community work. And then realize it's a solid offer and sign.


Posted by Daveg, a resident of Birdland
on Oct 18, 2013 at 7:34 pm

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Hey Joe, did anybody "forced" those idiots to strike?!


Posted by Joe, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2013 at 7:51 pm

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Posted by Daveg, a resident of Birdland
on Oct 18, 2013 at 8:01 pm

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Joe, your arguments ignore the facts. Has the union management put BART's most recent offer to a vote of the union membership? We all know the answer to that. And if you think only commuters are inconvenienced, you really need to look beyond (Word removed by Pleasanton Weekly Online staff) to see that such idiotic actions by the union has a much bigger impact on the entire Bay Area than only transit commuters.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 18, 2013 at 8:02 pm

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Union members don't vote to strike without leadership telling them it's necessary. And when a strike is called, members don't dare not cross the picket line no matter how much they may wish to or how much they need a day's pay. And in the case of BART, even if they could, what are they going to show up to do?

The union leader did not state the obvious - he left out the truth. I've said before that riding for free is a fair enough perk. Just don't try to equate your free ride to the inconvenience of hundreds of thousands of commuters. You neglected to respond -- how much are union leaders losing each day? Nothing.

The ego, fragile or otherwise, is all yours. And I'm still not aligned with the Tea Party. Sticks and stones, Joe.


Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 18, 2013 at 8:04 pm

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And let me get that for you, "don't dare cross" or "dare not cross"


Posted by Joe, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2013 at 8:11 pm

Union workers are not sheep, Kathleen. They are not easily cowed nor do they march in lockstep as do you and your Tea Party friends. I have seen no reports of internal strife in the union. I have seen no calls to have union leadership replaced. You're creating a tempest in a teapot because you really don't have anything to say of substance or fact.

And what about your expressed horror in response to a union leader saying union workers were inconvenienced? Oh, yeah, that. As per usual, your arguments spin into nowhere until you've succeeded in blowing up a site.

Now you and Da-Veg are trying to tell us all about how unions should conduct their affairs. Do you think anyone cannot see the humor in that? You're both two peas from the same pod, and you're both hilarious.


Posted by Daveg, a resident of Birdland
on Oct 18, 2013 at 8:44 pm

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Joe, easy question for you; has the union management put the BART management before their membership for a vote? Yes or No?


Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Oct 18, 2013 at 9:18 pm

It's quite clear that the STRIKE has freaked out certain posters! I can't tell you how tickled I am...tee hee

Their anger is so very obvious, predictive.

Before I go to sleep I'll chant OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM for about 17 seconds, maybe that will help them chill.

Like they say, I'm in HIGH COTTON!






Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Oct 18, 2013 at 9:33 pm

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Posted by Cholo, a resident of Livermore
on Oct 18, 2013 at 9:35 pm

Does anybody know how come daveg is so caught up with the BART strike?

And, trying to control others...hmmmmmmmmmmm...


Posted by Joe, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 18, 2013 at 9:43 pm

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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 18, 2013 at 9:52 pm

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When you have already lost the support of your customer base prior to a strike; when you have injured every other person just trying to get to his/her own job, you do not stand in front of a microphone and try to align yourself with the very people you are inconveniencing. Mr. Castelli blundered.

If union membership can report to their jobs if they so desire, announce it and see what happens. No consequences, just say "you are free to choose."

Still you neglected to respond -- how much are union leaders losing each day?


Posted by Joe, a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Oct 19, 2013 at 2:04 am

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Posted by Kathleen Ruegsegger, a resident of Vintage Hills Elementary School
on Oct 19, 2013 at 8:30 am

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It's simple enough Joe. Are union leaders losing pay every day? Where is that kind of solidarity with the members?

My original comment was about Mr. Castelli's statement: "Our union represents a lot, thousands of folks; a lot of them are riders, and we know that this process is difficult." There is a difference between workers who chose/voted to walk off the job and those forced into untenable situations trying to get to their own jobs. I think what you really can't understand is I don't blame the membership for this; I blame their leadership. Members continued to work and would still be working had leadership not announced they were to walk out.

Care to discuss the "work rules" that are the sticking points causing this walk out? Going paperless for example.


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