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Bid to return gun shows to Alameda County Fairgrounds goes to mediation

Original post made on Apr 9, 2012

Gun shows at the Alameda County Fairgrounds are a step closer to reality, with both sides in a long-running battle agreeing to mediation ordered by a federal appeals court in San Francisco.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, April 9, 2012, 7:20 AM

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Posted by Mr. Geeneyuss
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 9, 2012 at 10:39 am

Guns don't kill people, bullets do. Sell all the guns you can, just not the bullets, problem solved.


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Posted by Donna Dreher
a resident of Stoneridge
on Apr 9, 2012 at 11:54 am

I vote NO


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Posted by Yes
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 9, 2012 at 12:40 pm

I vote yes! This needs to come to the fairgrounds!!
Its not guns that kill people, its people who kill people.
It seems pretty reasonable to compromise on both sides to allow the Gun show to be at the fairground.
If you don't like guns don't go.


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Posted by Vote...
a resident of Carlton Oaks
on Apr 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm

YES!


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Parkside
on Apr 9, 2012 at 5:04 pm

Yes...be prepared for the increased crime that comes with low income housing. Don't be a victim.


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Posted by Daniel Bradford
a resident of Foothill High School
on Apr 9, 2012 at 5:09 pm

"Gun show promoters Russell and Sally Nordyke claim an Alameda County law that restricts gun possession on county property effectively prevents them from holding shows at the fairgrounds. The law was enacted after a 1998 shooting there injured 16 people."

That last sentence decides it for me:

"The law was enacted after a 1998 shooting there injured 16 people."

One thing America doesn't need is more people with guns.


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Posted by Peter Malloy
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 9, 2012 at 10:21 pm

Illegal guns used by criminals hurt people. Legal guns possessed by properly trained citizens protect citizens from criminals. bring back the gun shows.


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Posted by .
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 9, 2012 at 10:23 pm

People in suburbia that need guns are highly insecure. Don't believe me? Go to a gun show. Half are extremely overweight... and bored.

They need something to hold onto.


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Posted by Tennessee Jed
a resident of Jensen Tract
on Apr 10, 2012 at 6:09 am

So what's your point! Half the people in this country are fat. And as far as being board, it's incredible to me that you can determine that just by looking at anyone in the crowd.


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Posted by TAK
a resident of Oak Hill
on Apr 10, 2012 at 9:00 am

Don't like guns - don't buy one. Don't like gun shows - don't go to one. I'm probably a little overweight but I'm certainly not bored and I do like gunshows.

You're far more likely to be injured/killed by an automobile than by any of my guns. I feel far more comfortable in an Arizona restaurant knowing 1 out of 5 people there are armed than I am in California where only criminals and politicians are armed.


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Posted by stan
a resident of Canyon Creek
on Apr 10, 2012 at 9:04 am

Yes bring it back. Anything to help Pleasanton residents be better prepared.


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Posted by Informed Resident
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 10, 2012 at 9:33 am

The media should clarify that the 1998 shooting at the Fairgrounds happened during the July Fair event, NOT during a gun show. I recall that the shooter was a gang member from Richmond and he DID NOT buy his gun at a gun show.


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Posted by Janice R.
a resident of Valley View Elementary School
on Apr 10, 2012 at 10:25 am

Guns actually do kill people, when they are in the hands of unlawful, insecure, angry and anti-social people.

In all of my husbands and my years of attending various gun shows across the Western United States and participating in shooting and sporting events we have never encountered anything but law abiding, socially conscious, courteous and respectful like-minded folks. Unfortunately there will probably never be a consensus on this issue as long as there is an inane fear of firearms by certain members of society whose knee-jerk reaction to stem any further violence is to simply outlaw all weaponry.

The criminal element will NEVER abide by any such laws or rulings that affect their ability to possess guns, drugs, stolen vehicles, property, etc. The law-abiding citizenry (still at least) has a Constitutional right to gun ownership and to protect their self, family and property. To take those rights away will surely only lead the lambs to the slaughter by the unlawful ones.


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Posted by Some Dude
a resident of Avignon
on Apr 10, 2012 at 11:11 am

Janice is right; why people fear guns is beyond me. They're designed solely for one purpose: to kill. See? Nothing to worry about! So come on down and bring the kiddies and remember, when teaching your kids about the joy of killing things, start with small, safe things that pose no threat and can't fight back, like bunnies and kitties.


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Posted by Sam
a resident of Oak Hill
on Apr 10, 2012 at 11:12 am

Janice R. said: "In all of my husbands and my years of attending various gun shows across the Western United States and participating in shooting and sporting events we have never encountered anything but law abiding, socially conscious, courteous and respectful like-minded folks."

So are you saying that you think that 100% of the people who attend gun shows are "law abiding, socially conscious, courteous and respectful like-minded folks"? Not a single bad apple among the lot in all your years of attending gun shows?

I personally don't have any problems with responsible, law-abiding people going to gun shows and owning guns as long as they use the guns AND secure the guns properly. Unfortunately, I remember reading a few news stories where burglars would break into a home and make off with the owner's unsecured guns, which sort of nullifies the argument that citizen ownership of guns helps to fight crime. In these particular cases, citizen ownership of guns simply gave the bad guys a few more guns to play with. If you're going to own guns, be sure to securely lock them up so that the bad guys as well as any kids can't get to them.


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Posted by Dan
a resident of Pleasanton Meadows
on Apr 10, 2012 at 11:22 am


Bring back the gun show. Pleasanton citizens need to be more informed on being armed and get comfortable protecting their homes and businesses.

Just saw another armed robbery in Pleasanton in the news at Holiday Cleaners of America at 3170 Santa Rita Road.


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Posted by Gabrielle Giffords
a resident of another community
on Apr 10, 2012 at 11:26 am

"I feel far more comfortable in an Arizona restaurant knowing 1 out of 5 people there are armed than I am in California where only criminals and politicians are armed." Signed, Gabrielle (if I hadn't been shot would have probably been in a car accident) Giffords

Fact is, get EVERY SINGLE QUESTION wrong regarding guns and children (minors) on the CAL test for gun ownership and one STILL PASSES the test.

Fact is, stupid people -- with problems compounded by hatred, fear and paranoia -- are who end up owning guns. Read Tennsee Jed, Steve from Parkside, TAK and Stan ... for starters. See what I mean?


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Posted by TAK
a resident of Oak Hill
on Apr 10, 2012 at 2:07 pm

I am in the process of buying a new gun right now. To do so I must be 21 years old and pass a national agency check to verify that I have never committed a felony or been judged to be mentally incompetent. Additionally I have to have certification that I've passed a handgun safety course; in my case certified by 20 years of honorable service in the US military. Anyone buying a gun from a gun show dealer has to pass the same checks. Anyone can walk in but only those passing the requirements can purchase a gun.

I regret being called a killer of bunnies & kitties. I love my three cats and the only thing I've killed other than in war is a lot of paper with circles on it. Actually I don't always kill the target but I do seriously wound it.


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Posted by Gabrielle Giffords
a resident of another community
on Apr 10, 2012 at 2:40 pm

Oh, TAK, how cute! I feel soooo much better now! Thank you!


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Posted by Janice R.
a resident of Valley View Elementary School
on Apr 10, 2012 at 5:57 pm

To answer our beloved "Sam."

Yes, yes, yes and hmmmmmmm come to think of it, absolutely yes. No disrespect sir but your comment sounds ominously similar to a good deal of the objections from people who have based their initial assumptions on the "gun crowd" from the stereotypical portrayal that the media likes to use into making us all look like inbred, toothless, neo-fascist, heartless killers. If you saw me around my grandchildren last Easter Sunday or at one of the downtown events that my ladies groups participate in or even coming out of church you might change your tone slightly young man.

Oh and regarding ANY of Gods living creatures, until we're that hungry or poor we've never laid single "bunny or kitten" to rest for sport of food. Fish on the other hand, we're guilty on a monumental or biblical scale.


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Posted by A bigger dude
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 10, 2012 at 6:47 pm

Gabble, how's your head? Still not quite right, I see. Some dude, a gun (like you) is a tool.


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Posted by Some Dude
a resident of Avignon
on Apr 10, 2012 at 8:16 pm

I presume you mean a tool...of righteousness!

Seriously, though, folks--guns are more important than ever in this savage time we live in. Gone are the protections of 20st century civilization, and now we need to arm ourselves against the possibility that King George III might return from the dead and try to reclaim the colonies. What if our armed forces get all wiped out? Then Pleasanton gun owners to the rescue, sez I!

Also, keep in mind all the life-threatening peril lurking around the corner in daily Pleasanton life: socialists, Mamma Grizzlies, parcel taxes, Skittles, abortionists, Kay Ayala, Terror Babies, death squads, Swankvillians, non-Christians, low-income housing, union thugs, new grocery stores, shifty-eyed, hoodie-wearing teens, coaches who don't give your kid enough playing time, a lot of paper with circles on it, Stacey & Kathleen, encroaching acceptance of homosexuality, evolution, overpaid teachers, Tim Hunt's new light bulbs, global warming, the lamestream media, Obama's plan to build madrassas on Neil Street, freedom-hating liberals, contraception, womans what don't know their place, Solyndra, and many more things to be afraid (very afraid!) of.

Arm yourselves, people! Shooting solves all of life's problems!


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Posted by Barbarossa
a resident of Another Pleasanton neighborhood
on Apr 11, 2012 at 8:35 am

I enjoy the commenters who continue to trample a FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT which wasn't granted by the Bill of rights, but a isolated from the power of government.

"In order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its (government) powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added:". "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This was settled in 2008 by the Supreme Court in Heller V. D.C.

Do the commenters voicing "no" fell the same about the exercise of free speech? Is the Fairground a sensitive place where free speech would profane ones ears?

Of course not, yet when it involves guns, people seen the "Oakland image" rather then the law abiding local citizens whom would benefit from this show.

Stop letting fear uncertainty and doubt control your actions.

It is absurd that the County has drug this out near a decade, and just now conceded that they could have the show if they wanted to cable lock the guns down...


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Posted by Tom
a resident of another community
on Apr 11, 2012 at 10:07 am

Just about the safest place you can be on the Alameda County Fairgrounds is in the middle of a TS gun show, guns tethered or not.

In the trial the county has stated many times that the Nordyke's gun shows are held in a lawful manner with no illegal gun sales and no problems.

The reason why the county wants to ban them has nothing to do with safety, they want to make the exercise of our second amendment rights as difficult and inconvenient as possible. Instead of allowing comparison shopping and seeing a wide variety of new and used firearms, they would rather limit you to the few remaining small brick and mortar shops who all have small inventories and limited selections. Then they try hard to get rid of those shops too.

Gun owners and people who believe in our constitution are tired of dealing with this crap. We are going to have our gun shows and support our local shops.

We are going to protect ourselves when the police can not and make crooks think twice before they decide to harm people.

All of you people who would ignore the constitution are lucky because those crooks don't know how easy a target you are.


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Posted by Some Dude
a resident of Avignon
on Apr 11, 2012 at 10:29 am

"We are going to protect ourselves when the police can not and make crooks think twice"

George Z, is that you?


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Posted by Jim G.
a resident of Ruby Hill
on Apr 11, 2012 at 11:56 am

"Posted by Informed Resident, a resident of the Another Pleasanton neighborhood neighborhood, on Apr 10, 2012 at 9:33 am

The media should clarify that the 1998 shooting at the Fairgrounds happened during the July Fair event, NOT during a gun show. I recall that the shooter was a gang member from Richmond and he DID NOT buy his gun at a gun show."

Don't drag logic into a discussion with sheeple.


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Posted by Penelope
a resident of Downtown
on Apr 11, 2012 at 12:23 pm

I really hope they allow the gun show.


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Posted by Sam Adams
a resident of another community
on Apr 11, 2012 at 1:27 pm

It is a pitty, that the anti-gun folk spew lies and are never called on it.
You can certainly fail the HSC test - though it is easy to pass - just pick the most ridiculously anti-gun answer and score 100%
Spend time & effort getting rid of gangs, not guns.


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Posted by Oliver Hevvy
a resident of Val Vista
on Apr 11, 2012 at 6:33 pm

Banning gun shows because some people got shot is like banning free speech because some people scream f*ck and n***** in public.

I hope the ruling is overturned, Offhand, it seems unconstitutionally broad.

As far as the likelihood of a gun crime at a gun show, not gonna happen. You'd have to be a world class fool to pull a gun at a place like that, and you'd be dead before you hit the ground.


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Posted by Some Dude
a resident of Avignon
on Apr 11, 2012 at 7:03 pm

That's a good point, some kid dying is the same as using a profanity. Good thinking, Oliver.


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Posted by Adam
a resident of Grey Eagle Estates
on Apr 11, 2012 at 7:17 pm

Some Dude, I really pitty you.


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Posted by Some Dude
a resident of Avignon
on Apr 11, 2012 at 7:21 pm

Why? Because I don't know the sweet sweet rush of killing a living being? I'm okay with that. Really I am.

By the way, it's spelled 'pity.' If you keep using the same misspelling, people are going to figure out that your various aliases are the same person.


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Posted by Why
a resident of Birdland
on Apr 12, 2012 at 4:52 pm

Some dude...
Why does having a gun mean you kill living things?!? I think you are the one with the sick and twisted mind assuming, guns = killing living things all the time.
I really hope you never get a gun cus I'm going to assume you will go around killing living things.


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Posted by Adam
a resident of Grey Eagle Estates
on Apr 12, 2012 at 5:02 pm

Dear "Why"

You make a very good point. I use my .44 Magnum to do gardening all the time. And I use my double-ott shot gun to stir whatever stew I have in my kettle.


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Posted by Some Dude
a resident of Avignon
on Apr 12, 2012 at 5:41 pm

Those are some great ideas, Adam! I just use my Glock to chop vegetables and remove spots from upholstery.


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Posted by Some dude is an idiot
a resident of Golden Eagle
on Oct 26, 2013 at 9:40 pm

It's my right to protect my family. If you bunch if whiny, crybabies don't like our constitutional rights why don't you move to another country. Ignorant people make me sick.


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Posted by Cholo
a resident of Livermore
on Oct 27, 2013 at 5:41 pm

Be prepared to deal with the crime that happens when you live near children from high income families.


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Posted by Miss Information
a resident of Birdland
on Oct 27, 2013 at 8:42 pm

Daniel Bradford; are you intentionally spreading misinformation. You suggest that the shooting occurred at a gun show at the fairgrounds. It was actually at the Alameda County Fair and committed by a gang member as stated earlier. Are you suggesting that we ban the Alameda County Fair?


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